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why should i listen to J Dilla - Donuts?

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Now before you guys troll me.... i know that Dilla is a legendary producer and all. Ive listened to some tracks he produced for Proof. Im not dissing him or the album or anything.

But why is Donuts considered so great? i mean its just instrumentals right?

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It's not just beats. It's not just something a rapper to rap over. It's a challenge. It's a story. I remember my first time listening to it. I heard about the story and cried. Donuts is not just some dumb factory made shit. It's real. Like dilla said himself "Let's show these mothafuckas that it's true and not just a hobby"
Idk, I just was told by a hip-hop head that it was essential to listen to it and like it, so I did and I do.
I mean you don't have too, but it's a fantastic record
DCAPP said:
Idk, I just was told by a hip-hop head that it was essential to listen to it and like it, so I did and I do.
yea me too
i feel like this would be a good thing to listen to on vinyl
DCAPP said:
Idk, I just was told by a hip-hop head that it was essential to listen to it and like it, so I did and I do.
saw it there too, which is why im asking about it here.
ok so i should listen to it too.

what is it about?

hold up why dont you tell me what each track is about, since its only instrumentals that way i can look out for what it's about while im listening to it.
I mean.. you can't really dissect every single track to find a meaning. A lot of the album is the feeling thru the music. Every fucking time I listen to "Stop" and hear Jada say "its dat real!"..trips me out how it sounds so closely to "is death real?"..and how he knew his time was coming. "Youre gonna want me back".. then you hear the track "dont cry"..breaks my heart every time.. or my theme song to life "U-Love"...every chop and loop is so powerful..so simple but so fucking raw..like a goodbye to his mom and daughter.
then you got "Donuts (intro)"..(which is technically the last song on the album but Dilla was tryna make a point.."ones end is anothers begining") He samples a song called "When I Die" (coincidence i think not). Stating "hope I was the man that you thought I could be"...and the fact that we was still working on it and tweaking shit from his hospital bed is crazy.

you don't have to like dilla. i could understand why people dont like his music. but its more the man or the legend that catches people.
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If you have the time..i suggest reading this story ?uestlove (drummer for the roots) had about Dilla:

there was a small airport in detroit that had direct flights to jersey and nyc that me and com use to take so much i swear they were gonna offer us stock in the business. it was early 1999 and this was before the jet blueitization of america. matter of fact, america looked down on those small companies after one of them crashed some months before. now we take that $#@! like its no thing.

anywho. we got word of a blizzard that was coming to the D and com wanted to take no risks and wanted to leave asap so he could make a show. so that left me dilla and frank of frank n dank.

i decided to stick to my normal schedule and stay til monday when i was scheduled to leave.

com decides to take the sunday afternoon jawn on the fly. of course i say he's overreacting and im proven wrong once there was about 7 inches on the floor a few hours later. frank nitty laughs at me cause now im stuck in the D. we actually make the most of it. ran to blockbuster to stock up on flicks (detroit is the only place on earth street cats will let prince get away with murder so it was nice to rent under the cherry moon without cringing in front of non prince experts. we also rented my new favorite film of all B films Hav Plenty. stocked up on food. and for the first time ever just chilled for 2 days without the prime motivation being "work". but of course that dont mean dilla didn't provide me with the most amazing display of workmanship ive ever seen.

i mean i knew dude was the crazy when skillz let me hear a beat tape.

and i knew dude wasn't right when booty brown played me a precabincalifornia.

and i knew i wouldn't be the same when dangleo and tip played me the ENTIRE fantastic cassette over the phone LONG DISTANCE to germany (my bill was $382 bucks and WORTH EVERY *%[email protected]%*+ CENT)

and i knew i was in for a treat the many times i came to the crib.

and i knew i was witnessing history when him and pete rock re created half of "mecca and the soul brother" in the basement the weekend "dynamite" was created.

but man…..

what i learned eavesdropping 8am the following day made me a believer. that $#@! made me the stan of ALL stans.

if you are on my computer and need to find dilla. go to genre, and if he had something to do with it? it will be known for its tag: DILLA is GOD.

i won't go into reasons why….for it could be longer than this post. and at this rate its just baiting those who disagree or who refuse to see it or who just wanna be contradictory (aka okayplayers lol)

so i heard this bassline playing for like a good 30 mins

http://www.zshare.net/audio/518263498fc20047 (go to 5:07)

initially i was asleep on the couch upstairs so i knew the bassline from pete's interlude. which i thought "oh he's gonna recreate that interlude"

so i came downstairs and asked what he's up to and he was like

(think brotherman on martin)

"…..nuttin…..just….you'know…..zonin…..tryna figure our how to freak this $#@!….i got an idea in my head but i have to figure out how to solve the puzzle…..its gonna come to me….but i got to figure out how…."

so then he plays


for like 40 mins straight.

-now this is the first straight up beat i saw him make from scratch. most of the time he just grabs the ram file and blamo the beat is up (day we first met the "got til its gone" parts were already in the machine and he just created "let's start" for tribe so i had missed those)

first thing i notice is his patience factor….when i make beats i play the record on 45 im skipping parts i aint got time to listen to a record over and over and over and over again….

i ask him about this and he said its better to suffer for 30 mins with a record than to skim through the $#@! and next thing you know you hear someone else use a part you coulda freaked better but cause of lack of patience you opted not to.

hmmm novel thought.

so i asked which approach is his gonna take….and he said he wanted to see if there was another juicy part for him to take…

so now we a half hour into it i was like "well…..there are no clean parts…..roy is talking all over that $#@! over and over….its impossible to find a juicy spot."

lol i wonder if he was appeasing me like "you mere mortal do you not know i created heaven and earth in 7 days? muahahahahahaah" in his head.

he just said

"yuuup….pssshhh man…..i dunno how imma freak it"

so he made a cassette copy for his range and we grabbed food before it was time to take me to the airport.

we went to greektown and came back and he decided before he was going to put the record to bed (this aint the first time he gave up on a loop….the breath and stop sample frustrated him so much he gave me the record to which he would reluctantly find something to give to tip on a last minute attempt) so before the airport he decided to record every piece of the song that had 0 talking on it.

so its like…

an hour later and he has made about 20 pads on the 3000 with samples no longer than half a second each.

he even did a "be my guest" and let me get on to see if i could make some chitterlings off the table scraps from the big house.


he retired the thought and drove me to the airport.

i got home and he left a message on my machine.

"whoooooooooooooooooooooooo!! yo! i figured it out!!!!"

check it!!!

(this is okp's own JP's version of the beat so you can have a clear idea on how *%[email protected]%*+ impossible it is to find the open spots on this beat)


when i heard it my jaw dropped.

i was speechless. again. to understand dilla you must first immerse yourself in the music that he uses to create beats. and only when you hear this song more than 20 times you will soon see how *%[email protected]%*+ impossible it is to make this beat as a mere person (so what is JP up to by the way?)

then i was like "yo pete is gonna be **%#%* up when he hears THIS $#@!!"

dilla: NONONONONONONONONO!! naw man….you can't let him hear this man i cant afford that!

?uest: afford what? this $#@! is a miracle!!

dilla: nah man….like i dont want no tension. that's my idol i dont wanna give off the impression that im trying to outshine him….

?uest: but dog im saying if you shine then…..

dilla: nah man….

?uest: so all this $#@! i got with samples he's us-

dilla: yeah man dont let that $#@! get out man….i just do it for practice….

?uest: wait….so this beat is never going to see the light of day ever? you just made it and lost sweat over it for…..sport?

dilla: yeah man….i just practice……

thank god…..kweli had a cassette which had this beat on it for like 15 secs.

they looped it from the cassette.


but it was too late and he shrugged it off….

but man……that humility.

if i found a way to bust somebodys #%% for the world to see?

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit i be the first to be like

"oh yeah chris? but can you play with drumsticks in yo pinky toe chump?!?!!?!?!?"

my man.

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it has some of the best music ever made IMO. The more you listen the more you know abt it if you a musical head and are a fan of hip hop. Not a single beat is watered down.
i cant put into words how amazing that album is.

had the same affect on me Dark Side of The Moon did the first time i listened. Truly an amazing album.
It's one of those albums that stays with you for the rest of your life.
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