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Production Vs Beatmaking

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THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRODUCTION AND BEAT MAKING LADIES AND GENTS....

Quincy Jones...

He didn't play every instrument on this. So just because he only played 1, or 2 does that means he didn't produce this? :cmon:

Kanye West...
Yep this is Produced By RZA, No-I.D., Mike Dean & Jeff Bhasker, since Kanye didn't sit in front of Pro Tools or his MPC and sequence everything he didn't make this beat. Kanye looses credibility as the GOAT blahblahblah...... :bye: if you think this.

Production is pretty much in shorter terms, piecing together the song/final product. Quincy Jones & Kanye both do it, shit Dr. Dre and a lot of others do it. I don't see people bitching when it comes to other producers, but in the genre of Hip-Hop it's a big deal for some reason. Bringing in other people to help create a song is NOT a bad thing people.

Linear notes for a Quincy Jones track will just show Drums played by _____, Saxaphone played by _____, Keyboards played by ______ and etc. etc. Kanye West just puts Co-Produced by whoever the fuck and Mike Dean & Jeff Bhasker because that's how it goes. If you actually a know a thing or 2 about Kanye, you should know he used to ghost produce (aka do what Mike Dean does WITHOUT any credit at all) So Kanye is actually being cool by throwing there names out there. I mean for christ sake we have a Mike Dean face as a smiley on this website. lol. The traditional idea of production should not be shunned in hip-hop. I embrace it.

and most importantly........







GET OVER IT KTT.
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Black Jerry Maguire said:
well i don't have Dion's number :cryfam:
If you live in a place like NY then its pretty easy to make friends within the industry.
TheK.I.D. said:
If you live in a place like NY then its pretty easy to make friends within the industry.
meh, not as easy as one thinks
i know a couple ppl that know acouple ppl :ninja:
cla$$ic thread by ya bwoi.
philippe said:
cla$$ic thread by ya bwoi.
Good bump. This section needed this recently.
JayP. said:
Good bump. This section needed this recently.
And why do you say that?
Thank yeezus ****** need to know the difference and shit. Everyone who has worked with ye has always said that he works the hardest and we know he a perfectionist if he aint do shit then wouldnt people who work with him say it :work:
completely agree OP

"you have to sit in the computer and spend your time in creating the beat manually or else you're not really the producer" :oblivious:
philippe said:
And why do you say that?
"kanye should go back to producing his own shit instead of taking beats from everyone like he did on yeezers" :oblivious:
philippe said:
And why do you say that?
I've noticed a lot of people trying to downplay Kanye's involvement in the production of Yeezus.
Aubrezeus said:
"kanye should go back to producing his own shit instead of taking beats from everyone like he did on yeezers" :oblivious:
this
Soulo Ho3. said:
I don't even care anymore about him as a producer for that alone, he literally hasn't produced anything in 2010 besides Otis which he was forced to do. I dont even know if I Kanye deserves credit for his own sound or if his production team deserved it because it seems like Jeff, Mike & Dion can produce Kanye style records on their own.
smh

this thread went completely over your head
common projects said:
great post. one thing to add: in other genres like rock etc bands have their songs/ideas and get shit produced by dudes like rick rubin. even if he doesnt play any instrument (the band does obviously) but he coordinates, adds ideas and instrument recording sessions and whatever the fuck. kanye does exactly what OP describes and its not better or worse by the way he does it compared to other producers but its great because his results are dope + he gives people credit.
Prophetic.
Isco said:
Quincy Jones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kanye....

but other than that, this thread is spot on.
I love this thread & Quincy is a monster but I want Kanye to tie/beat his record of 27 Grammys, Kanye has 21 I think in his career he'll get at least 6 more & tie. I do wish he'd be more hands on sometimes though bc now when I see produced by Kanye now I figure that means Kanye: Mike Dean, Jeff Bhasker, Travis Scott, etc.
Production is pretty much in shorter terms, piecing together the song/final product. Quincy Jones & Kanye both do it, shit Dr. Dre and a lot of others do it. I don't see people bitching when it comes to other producers, but in the genre of Hip-Hop it's a big deal for some reason. Bringing in other people to help create a song is NOT a bad thing people.

Linear notes for a Quincy Jones track will just show Drums played by _____, Saxaphone played by _____, Keyboards played by ______ and etc. etc. Kanye West just puts Co-Produced by whoever the fuck and Mike Dean & Jeff Bhasker because that's how it goes. If you actually a know a thing or 2 about Kanye, you should know he used to ghost produce (aka do what Mike Dean does WITHOUT any credit at all) So Kanye is actually being cool by throwing there names out there. I mean for christ sake we have a Mike Dean face as a smiley on this website. lol. The traditional idea of production should not be shunned in hip-hop. I embrace it.

and most importantly........







GET OVER IT KTT.
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Lil Kim...Jong Un said:
Well, there were four Beatles, plus the producers they brought in. so it's normal to have a collabrative prodution process in the studio.
George Martin the gawd producer
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