[philippe]

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRODUCTION AND BEAT MAKING LADIES AND GENTS....

Quincy Jones...

He didn't play every instrument on this. So just because he only played 1, or 2 does that means he didn't produce this?

Kanye West...

Yep this is Produced By RZA, No-I.D., Mike Dean & Jeff Bhasker, since Kanye didn't sit in front of Pro Tools or his MPC and sequence everything he didn't make this beat. Kanye looses credibility as the GOAT blahblahblah...... if you think this.

Production is pretty much in shorter terms, piecing together the song/final product. Quincy Jones & Kanye both do it, shit Dr. Dre and a lot of others do it. I don't see people bitching when it comes to other producers, but in the genre of Hip-Hop it's a big deal for some reason. Bringing in other people to help create a song is NOT a bad thing people.

Linear notes for a Quincy Jones track will just show Drums played by _____, Saxaphone played by _____, Keyboards played by ______ and etc. etc. Kanye West just puts Co-Produced by whoever the fuck and Mike Dean & Jeff Bhasker because that's how it goes. If you actually a know a thing or 2 about Kanye, you should know he used to ghost produce (aka do what Mike Dean does WITHOUT any credit at all) So Kanye is actually being cool by throwing there names out there. I mean for christ sake we have a Mike Dean face as a smiley on this website. lol. The traditional idea of production should not be shunned in hip-hop. I embrace it.

and most importantly........







GET OVER IT KTT.

 

[common projects]

great post. one thing to add: in other genres like rock etc bands have their songs/ideas and get shit produced by dudes like rick rubin. even if he doesnt play any instrument (the band does obviously) but he coordinates, adds ideas and instrument recording sessions and whatever the fuck. kanye does exactly what OP describes and its not better or worse by the way he does it compared to other producers but its great because his results are dope + he gives people credit.

 

[dani_46]

Yep I agree, Kanye is a great beatmaker but he is also a great producer

And I got the perfect example for the people to understand how a producer works

He doesn't even touch the keys lol but that's the way it is, he got the idea and the melody in his head 

 

[Lil Kim...Jong Un]

Well, there were four Beatles, plus the producers they brought in. so it's normal to have a collabrative prodution process in the studio.

 

[philippe]

Yep I agree, Kanye is a great beatmaker but he is also a great producer

And I got the perfect example for the people to understand how a producer works

He doesn't even touch the keys lol but that's the way it is, he got the idea and the melody in his head 

@ this post and this vid.

 

[Dolo Mission]

 

[dexy baby]

 

[iYeezy]

 

[Steamboat]

beatmaker? never seen that credit

 

[Spaceships]

beatmaker? never seen that credit

Because you are dusty

 

[Soso]

He makes beats but also orchestrates the music

 

[RealRager]

 

[Alexanderander]

Quality thread.

 

[Isco]

Quincy Jones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kanye....

but other than that, this thread is spot on.

 

[philippe]

Quincy Jones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kanye....

He was just the first person I thought of. And I agree with this too btw.

 

[philippe]

Quality thread.

thanks 

 

[kyloblack]

the ignorance in hip hop concerning what the real meaning of producer is, is really sad to me. great explanation OP

 

[RiRi]

 

[Alex Tha Kidd]

This was needed.

 

[philippe]

This was needed.