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You know it would make sense to notify someone first when you want to remake a thread. I was pretty close to merging this, but I guess it doesn't matter.

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Emu said:
Hong Kong. Highest tax rate is 10% and that's considered bad over there.
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Place is pure capitalism. You can literally get whatever you want. You go to a store say you want a watch that looks like this and this, come back the next day they have it.
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I do believe in government but I mean if you have the most developed and most deregulated places with under 5% unemployment you do ask yourself... If we could put unemployment at 3% like they do, there would be far far less need for social programs in the first place. You gotta wonder how they manage to run their whole system when the highest income tax rate is 10% and sales tax and such are virtually nonexistent... How do they do that and can a country far bigger emulate that?
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This is Hong Kong too



 

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So what does OP think about education, public services, health care? Should these be services be provided by the free market too?

 

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Scratchin Bandit said:
capitalism goat & woat at the same time tbh
It's goat if you want it to be goat for you. It has its problems on a grand scale, but anyone that blames capitalism for their own lack of personal success is kidding themselves.

 

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It's goat if you want it to be goat for you. It has its problems on a grand scale, but anyone that blames capitalism for their own lack of personal success is kidding themselves.
but not everyone is born into privilege and has access to the resources needed to succeed in life especially with how under funded the public education system is low income areas.
 

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but not everyone is born into privilege and has access to the resources needed to succeed in life especially with how under funded the public education system is low income areas.
They may not be born into but if they work harder they can get those. It's totally not fair, but capitalism at least allows relative mobility to those who really want it.
 

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ScottT said:
They may not be born into but if they work harder they can get those. It's totally not fair, but capitalism at least allows relative mobility to those who really want it.
In VERY special cases yes. The vast majority of people born into a capitalist system are born, live, and die in the exact same shitty economic position they started in. It's not impossible for upward mobility, but by the nature of capitalism you need to exploit and step on others to achieve it
 

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Drillary Clinton said:
In VERY special cases yes. The vast majority of people born into a capitalist system are born, live, and die in the exact same shitty economic position they started in. It's not impossible for upward mobility, but by the nature of capitalism you need to exploit and step on others to achieve it
Those special cases are mostly people who wanted it bad enough. And stepping on others and exploiting helps make it easier to succeed in capitalism, but it isn't necessary to achieve success. That's why checks on it are important.
 

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Social mobility is nonexistent in socialist or authoritarian governments. Most of them are two class systems disguised to promise equally for all when in fact 99% live poor but not enough to be considered living in extreme poverty while the government elite lives in luxury.

In contrast people in the middle class of developed countries live sometimes even better than those elites in nonfree regimes. There's no middle class in socialism. Just everyone is poor.

In a capitalist system you do see extremes but those are the ones who took the biggest risks. There's nothing holding you back from becoming a millionaire. A billionaire is another story though because now you have to control a whole pipeline of production. But, to think that anyone here would even want to live in a system that can simply take your stuff away lol... None of you would last a week.
 

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Emu said:
Social mobility is nonexistent in socialist or authoritarian governments. Most of them are two class systems disguised to promise equally for all when in fact 99% live poor but not enough to be considered living in extreme poverty while the government elite lives in luxury.

In contrast people in the middle class of developed countries live sometimes even better than those elites in nonfree regimes. There's no middle class in socialism. Just everyone is poor.

In a capitalist system you do see extremes but those are the ones who took the biggest risks. There's nothing holding you back from becoming a millionaire. A billionaire is another story though because now you have to control a whole pipeline of production. But, to think that anyone here would even want to live in a system that can simply take your stuff away lol... None of you would last a week.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura
Russia and Eastern bloc states under communism had an elite that had special privileges that the average person did not have. China under Mao had a similar elite. I have met people that lived in Romania under communism and in China under Mao and they told me how terrible it was.
 

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50fridge said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura
Russia and Eastern bloc states under communism had an elite that had special privileges that the average person did not have. China under Mao had a similar elite. I have met people that lived in Romania under communism and in China under Mao and they told me how terrible it was.
Yup. They are all two class systems. Not even class system, more like caste systems where you can never leave.
 

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Emu said:
Yup. They are all two class systems. Not even class system, more like caste systems where you can never leave.
The legacy of this system really hurt Russia during their transition and even to this day.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/9-cool-facts-hyundais-manufacturing-plant-alabama/?sm_id=social_aumomotortrendhub_MotorTrend_20160629_63312536&adbid=10153831050841312&adbpl=fb&adbpr=18332466311
Maybe Trump should visit this factory to see how the US still has manufacturing jobs that pay well.
 
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