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ChiefSosa said:
eh critic/oscar bait isn't just the "message" or intellectualism of it tho. a lot of the time it's just consciously trying to be artsy or different, like Birdman (last year's Oscar winner) for example. Most of the movie is shot thru continuous shots where the cameras follow the actors from room to room, while the movie is simultaneously a commentary on the entertainment industry and actors in general, shit that a committee of people directly involved in the entertainment industry are obviously going to connect to, and be baited by. I dunno how much replay value or repeated watches would affect that, as with TPAB. The live instrumentation, heavy influence of jazz & funk, spoken word & poem interludes, and more on top of themes of depression and politics all screams "look at me I'm artsy and different!!! in the same way that atypical camera styles and self-reflective looks into the entertainment industry does in movies like Birdman. Those are really the tactics that bait critics, and they're not reserved just for movies IMO.
interesting perspective but the thing is I don't think the director of Birdman or Kendrick were trying to be artsy, they were just making what they wanted to. If anything Kanye making Yeezus screams "look how artsy I am" using industrial sounds and low-fi mixing techniques, having an album cover with no cover, naming it Yeezus, its like not even "look how artsy I am, just look at me and what I'm doing, are you mad". I like Yeezus, but your point as to why Kendrick sucks is kind of weak if him trying to be artsy in your eyes is your only point.
 
So racially-charged hip hop is critic bait now?

Don't think Public Enemy has cracked an 80+ metascore or been in line for AOTY at the Grammys in a while...

Jazz rap revival isn't new either. Not seeing those albums rack up 96+. Huh.

Maybe it's just that TPAB is executed brilliantly and these are bullshit excuses?
 
WindowPain said:
It's been months. Is this ***** really sitting in bed heated like "FUCK. KTT needs to know it's just critic bait'?
It was the exact same way when Yeezus dropped man. ****** can't stand it when rappers try to step out of box for some reason.
 
TPAB is by no means executed brilliantly (conceptually) and I can see why some people think it's critic bait. I also think it is sort of middle-brow. Implying a deeper message through it's concept and structure than what's there but I'm actually done with shitting on it. Let people love it and stop making these threads.
 
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