Inb4 bbtm wins for selling more

 

eh critic/oscar bait isn't just the "message" or intellectualism of it tho. a lot of the time it's just consciously trying to be artsy or different, like Birdman (last year's Oscar winner) for example. Most of the movie is shot thru continuous shots where the cameras follow the actors from room to room, while the movie is simultaneously a commentary on the entertainment industry and actors in general, shit that a committee of people directly involved in the entertainment industry are obviously going to connect to, and be baited by. I dunno how much replay value or repeated watches would affect that, as with TPAB. The live instrumentation, heavy influence of jazz & funk, spoken word & poem interludes, and more on top of themes of depression and politics all screams "look at me I'm artsy and different!!! in the same way that atypical camera styles and self-reflective looks into the entertainment industry does in movies like Birdman. Those are really the tactics that bait critics, and they're not reserved just for movies IMO.

Is being different and getting good reviews a bad thing though? And is Kanye considered critic bait?

A lot of people (from my experience) including me thought a project like TPAB, especially in todays Rap scene, wouldn't get as much of the positive reponses it got, plus how much it sold (even though it's less than the debut).

I thought this album was more anti everything. Anti mainstream, and anti critic and anti average listener personally. But it had a surprisingly reversed outcome.

 

it is pretty bait

 

"critic bait"

- a term coined by ktt members with adhd

This is so wrong lol.

 

OP droppin facts

Kendrick's such a try hard. and his humble/down-to-earth act is embarrassing

 

OP droppin facts

Kendrick's such a try hard. and his humble/down-to-earth act is embarrassing

 

Is being different and getting good reviews a bad thing though? And is Kanye considered critic bait?

A lot of people (from my experience) including me thought a project like TPAB, especially in todays Rap scene, wouldn't as much of the positive reponses it got, plus how much it sold (even though it's less than the debut).

I thought this album was more anti everything. Anti mainstream, and anti critic and anti average listener personally.

You a goat poster

 

Who said its bad to have good reviews?

Who said I said anyone said that. It seems it is implied though, by some people that dislike this album. Critic bait seems like it has a negative connotation to it.

You still haven't responded to my question though. How is it critic bait and is critic bait a bad thing? If it's because of it's subject matter, couldn't Kanye and other artists with similar themes be considered critic bait as well? Wouldn't artists also want good reviews and feedback like how Kendrick has received?

 

Kendrick clearly goes into the studio with the intention of making fully-realized albums with multiple layers, so there is some pretense there. He's very theme-driven and doesn't digress from that, which means he can sometimes sacrifice replay value in order to craft a more coherent work. Kendrick albums work on multiple levels, but occasionally one or more of those levels can be a problem for people. The prayer skits on GKMC really turned people off when the album first dropped, now it's the poem and 2Pac interview. Every one of his albums (including Section 80) have been threaded together with skits. It's what he does.

If I have any problem with the way TPAB handles skits, it's how on the nose the poems are, particularly the second one at the end of the album that explains the entire concept of the record in detail. That wasn't really necessary unless you paid no attention whatever. On the other hand, I think the poem is also helpful because it underlines some of the issues of the album outside of race, like personal responsibility and survivor's guilt. His intentions were good, just nix that second poem.

 

You a goat poster

Thank you fam

I'm just trying to see what this critic bait thing is all about and why it's a bad thing if it is considered as such

 

why can't people just enjoy music or not enjoy music? Always coming up with some lame excuse for an album. just say what you have to say and move on. The album will still exist and that metacritic score will still exist with or without you.

 

Probably best bait thread I seen in the last couple weeks well done op

 

The answer is yes

 

Probably best bait thread I seen in the last couple weeks well done op

it's not bait when OP has a valid point

 

it's not bait when OP has a valid point

ok then tpab isnt bait cus it has valid points too

 

I was thinking this the other day.  TPAB is critic bait for sure.

 

Who said I said anyone said that. It seems it is implied though, by some people that dislike this album. Critic bait seems like it has a negative connotation to it.

You still haven't responded to my question though. How is it critic bait and is critic bait a bad thing? If it's because of it's subject matter, couldn't Kanye and other artists with similar themes be considered critic bait as well? Wouldn't artists also want good reviews and feedback like how Kendrick has received?

I was simply asking who said it. Of course artists want good feedback. No it's not a bad thing. Kinda annoying though as this just overshadows other album which are better (in my opinion of course). And I said the content of it and what he's saying mixing in the Jazz to try and be different talking about all the "real stuff", that's not him. However Kanye is different Kanye is a big creative, trend setter and has always experiment with different things, when it comes to creativity Ye is in a lane of his own.

 

it's not bait when OP has a valid point

The album is good which is why critics fucked with it end of story. You ****** try so hard to hate on this album

 

ok then tpab isnt bait cus it has valid points too

powerful

 

ok then tpab isnt bait cus it has valid points too

good argument
see? it can go both ways

none are fact tho

 

I was simply asking who said it. Of course artists want good feedback. No it's not a bad thing. Kinda annoying though as this just overshadows other album which are better (in my opinion of course). And I said the content of it and what he's saying mixing in the Jazz to try and be different talking about all the "real stuff", that's not him. However Kanye is different Kanye is a big creative, trend setter and has always experiment with different things, when it comes to creativity Ye is in a lane of his own.

But Kendrick has always had elements of Jazz in his music since Section 80, and he has always spoken on racial problems and other social issues since Section 80 as well. TPAB was more of that.

TPAB could be considered apart of Kendrick's creative process and experimentation  just like Kanye's albums. Yeezus was considered "not Kanye" by a lot of hip-hop fans but got really good positive critic scores. It dealt with themes similar to TPAB such as racism, plus more. So Yeezus could also be considered critic bait just as easy. Kanye's always trying to be different, and it always gets good responses. Kanye could be considered the ultimate critic baiter if we go by this tbh.

Honestly, critic bait just seems like a dismissive term for an album that a person didn't like, that still got good responses. If a person doesn't like something, that's fine. But saying it's critic bait to somehow make it less valid of a celebrated album (this is what it seems the term critic bait is used for) doesn't make any sense.

 

why can't people just enjoy music or not enjoy music? Always coming up with some lame excuse for an album. just say what you have to say and move on. The album will still exist and that metacritic score will still exist with or without you.

 

I was thinking this the other day.  TPAB is critic bait for sure.

ky

 

it's not bait when OP has a valid point

Real af

 

The album is good which is why critics fucked with it end of story. You ****** try so hard to hate on this album

****** who think this is hate crine