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Is TPAB the most critic bait thing we've ever had in rap?

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I mean regardless of how good or bad it was (I didn't like it at all) but the content of it and what he's talking about is pure critic bait I mean he simply can't lose at the Grammys
 
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Water Giver said:
But Kendrick has always had elements of Jazz in his music since Section 80, and he has always spoken on racial problems and other social issues since Section 80 as well. TPAB was more of that.

TPAB could be considered apart of Kendrick's creative process and experimentation  just like Kanye's albums. Yeezus was considered "not Kanye" by a lot of hip-hop fans but got really good positive critic scores. It dealt with themes similar to TPAB such as racism, plus more. So Yeezus could also be considered critic bait just as easy. Kanye's always trying to be different, and it always gets good responses. Kanye could be considered the ultimate critic baiter if we go by this tbh.

Honestly, critic bait just seems like a dismissive term for an album that a person didn't like, that still got good responses. If a person doesn't like something, that's fine. But saying it's critic bait to somehow make it less valid of a celebrated album (this is what it seems the term critic bait is used for) doesn't make any sense.
There are plenty of other albums I don't like and have great reviews and I don't feel like they're critic bait, but this i do
 
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Water Giver said:
But why is this specific album with these subject matters only considered critic bait when other albums have had same themes within their music such as a Kanye, Talib Kweil, Lupe fiasco etc. in Rap for decades?
Ye has never had this type of theme but its the mix of the jazz and his status
 
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Dayviz said:
Ye has never had this type of theme but its the mix of the jazz and his status
Kanye has most def talked about racism and other social issues multiple times yo. It's one of his main things.

College Dropout, Late Registration, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy and Yeezus have songs that are specifically about racism and injustice fam.

I don't see how Jazz would be critic bait. TPAB is also Funk and Soul based as well. Status could be a factor, but bigger artists such as Drake and one's before him didn't get that high of scores. So I don't know how status really plays a role in it either. So I don't know how those would make it critic bait tbh.

I just think it's what they enjoyed and what they wanted. Kendrick went in a different direction from the norm, which most would consider critic and fan suicide. But it pulled a revese and actually worked in his favor surprisingly.
 
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Water Giver said:
Kanye has most def talked about racism and other social issues multiple times yo. It's one of his main things.

College Dropout, Late Registration, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy and Yeezus have songs that are specifically about racism and injustice fam.

I don't see how Jazz would be critic bait. TPAB is also Funk and Soul based as well. Status could be a factor, but bigger artists such as Drake and one's before him didn't get that high of scores. So I don't know how status really plays a role in it either. So I don't know how those would make it critic bait tbh.

I just think it's what they enjoyed and what they wanted. Kendrick went in a different direction from the norm, which most would consider critic and fan suicide. But it pulled a revese and actually worked in his favor surprisingly.
nah funk/soul/jazz is very safe esp with critics

the album is critic bait in the sense it ticks all the right boxes to get good reviews, but did kendrick create it with the intention of baiting critics? fuck no it's clearly good timing and coincidental. it deserves the praise it gets, it's fkin amazing go listen to it again doubters
 
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Water Giver said:
Kanye has most def talked about racism and other social issues multiple times yo.

College Dropout, Late Registration, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy and Yeezus have songs that are specifically about racism and injustice fam.

I don't see how Jazz would be critic bait. TPAB is also Funk and Soul based as well. Status could be a factor, but bigger artists such as Drake and one's before him didn't get that high of scores. So I don't know how status really plays a role in it either. So I don't know how those would make it critic bait tbh.

I just think it's what they enjoyed and what they wanted. Kendrick went in a different direction from the norm, which most would consider critic and fan suicide. But it pulled a revese and actually worked in his favor surprisingly.
Ye has spoke on it but not like TPAB. And by you saying funk & soul that adds an even more likely hood for this to be critic bait. Mix all them together and it makes it critic bait IMO, but of course you can and do disagree
 
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PimpLord said:
nah funk/soul/jazz is very safe esp with critics

the album is critic bait in the sense it ticks all the right boxes to get good reviews, but did kendrick create it with the intention of baiting critics? fuck no it's clearly good timing and coincidental. it deserves the praise it gets, it's fkin amazing go listen to it again doubters
I don't think it's as safe as people are making it out to be, plus it had a lot in it that critics could of bashed. they could of considered it anti white and out of date sounds and concepts.

But yes, I agree that it's a good album and deserves what it's getting. It's an amazing album and I've been listening to it a lot since it's release.
 
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Dayviz said:
Ye has spoke on it but not like TPAB. And by you saying funk & soul that adds an even more likely hood for this to be critic bait. Mix all them together and it makes it critic bait IMO, but of course you can and do disagree
I don't know man, I still don't see how it's critic bait. That's the number one thing I've seen people use on here to try to discredit this album and the people that enjoy it, but none of them have came up with a concrete answer.

Having jazz, soul or funk with some consciousness doesn't automatically equal great scores especially since these are the basic foundations for rap for decades. If this is critic bait then Kanye is critic bait to is how I see it.

But yeah. It is all opinion, I guess.
 
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Water Giver said:
I don't know man, I still don't see how it's critic bait. That's the number one thing I've seen people use on here to try to discredit this album and the people that enjoy it, but none of them have came up with a concrete answer.

Having jazz, soul or funk with some consciousness doesn't automatically equal great scores especially since these are the basic foundations for rap for decades. If this is critic bait then Kanye is critic bait to is how I see it.

But yeah. It is all opinion, I guess.
In your opinion do you believe this album is flawless? Do you think it's AOTY? Also do you think it's the best album OAT?
 
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Dayviz said:
In your opinion do you believe this album is flawless? Do you think it's AOTY? Also do you think it's the best album OAT?
Flawless? No. No such thing as flawless with anything no matter what opinion. I don't like King Kunta and I don't like For Free Interlude. But I love just about everything else about it.

It's not the greatest album of all time. OAT it's competing with artists like Michael Jackson etc.

It is album of the year for me so far though. To me, nothing has topped it yet in 2015 . I listen to this album multiple times and pick up new things from it since it's leak.

I'm still anticipating more albums though. Such as Pusha T, Drake - VFT6, Kanye - SWISH and James Blake. IThe only album i think that can top it to me is Kanye though, but we'll see what happens. I'm still looking forward to them either way.
 
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