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December 7th 2010

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imokhuede said:
I do think the third level's kick is the building falling off. If you notice where Eames plants the explosive on the building, it's right below pillars that hold it up. They have to feel a sense of falling in the dream to wake up, but they can't fall in on an upper level first because they'll probably just end up in limbo anyways for failing to make the kick that why all the levels involve dropping. Ariadne and Fisher drop in the last to get to the first. Also, if you notice, Fisher goes first to open the giant safe where his dad is. The defibrillator is just the warning for the last level like the music is for the others. There was no music to play in the third to warn them of when that level's kick was going to come in so they improvised using the defibrillator as a warning through the lightning.
I see the defib reference, but wouldnt them killing themselves automatically send them to limbo? Unless we hold true to the theory that there were indeed in limbo and not in cobbs dream. However, wouldn't killing themselves in Limbo, then, make them wake up from the dream completely, and not just go to the other layers. But then again the other levels of the dream were still not destroyed and I guess they were able to go through the levels and kicks. Whereas since all the dream layers had (assumably) been destroyed by the end, I guess Cobb and Saito go straight to reality instead of going through the different layers.

Ok I am more satisfied now.
Kanye Rest said:
I see the defib reference, but wouldnt them killing themselves automatically send them to limbo? Unless we hold true to the theory that there were indeed in limbo and not in cobbs dream. However, wouldn't killing themselves in Limbo, then, make them wake up from the dream completely, and not just go to the other layers. But then again the other levels of the dream were still not destroyed and I guess they were able to go through the levels and kicks. Whereas since all the dream layers had (assumably) been destroyed by the end, I guess Cobb and Saito go straight to reality instead of going through the different layers.

Ok I am more satisfied now.
They (except Cobb and Saito) were all involved in some sort of falling motion which is the "kick". That's the jolts that wakes them up. It's the same thing that happened to Cobb in the beginning when they dunked him in the water. You notice that he actually wakes up before he hits the water. It's the same reason Mal jumps from the building in real life because she figured that she'd get the jolts to wake into her real world instead of die. Like when you have a dream where you're falling and you wake up before you hit the ground. That has actually happened to me a lot times.

Water, however, could also be used as a kick because it literally also jolts you to wake up which is why the second kick was the water after the missed the first one.
imokhuede said:
They (except Cobb and Saito) were all involved in some sort of falling motion which is the "kick". That's the jolts that wakes them up. It's the same thing that happened to Cobb in the beginning when they dunked him in the water. You notice that he actually wakes up before he hits the water. It's the same reason Mal jumps from the building in real life because she figured that she'd get the jolts to wake into her real world instead of die. Like when you have a dream where you're falling and you wake up before you hit the ground. That has actually happened to me a lot times.

Water, however, could also be used as a kick because it literally also jolts you to wake up which is why the second kick was the water after the missed the first one.
They never say you can wake up simply by falling. If that was the case all the falling and shit Gordon was doing in the hotel scene would have woke him up.

The only kick is that which happens in the world theyre sleeping in. Jumping off the building only killed themselves and allowed them to wake up. They dont "wake up before they hit the ground" because you just made that up.

Kicks happen in the world theyre sleeping in. The explosion detonation in the snow bunker dream shows the foundations of the building falling under Ariadne, which is the falling motion that wakes her up from Limbo/Cobbs dream. Another example is the elevator, the elevator was a kick to wake them up from the snow world.

Like the beginning of the movie, kicks were delivered to the people sleeping. They had to give the person sleeping a sense of falling in order to wake up. Jump off the building while theyre dreaming is in no way a "kick" as explained in the movie, you guys just made that shit up. The kick happens in the "waking" world, not in the dream.

These guys got it backwards
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kidprodigy said:
I think Cobb ended up in reality because I believe that his wedding ring was his true totem and not the top. The top I believe was Mal's totem and Cobb would always have his ring on in a dream because he still hadn't let her go due to his guilt & love for her. At the end his ring isn't on anymore which means either he's still in a dream but has finally let go or that he's in reality.
I think ur on point....
I remember Nolan saying the importatnt part is that Cobb doesnt care if he's in reality or not....he's just happy to be with his kids again.
C'mon, the least the mod could have done was send me a courtesy PM that he was going to merge this. I was wondering where the thread went. Not cool, man.
Mr West said:
The whole point of the movie is that Cobb's father-in-law (Michael Caine) is actually doing Inception on Cobb, with the idea that is being planted that Cobb can live with his kids in reality.

When Cobb goes to Michael Caine's school and asks for a good architect for his plan, Caine gives him some random chick who Cobb ends up trusting completely.

You know why? Because Caine is also a forger like Eames and is actually Ariadine(juno girl).

This is why the girl is able to go deep inside with Caine, and why Mal(Cobb's natural defense system, like the security guards for Fischer in the car chase) never attacks Ariadine, because she would never attack her own Father.

When Cobb finds old Saito at the end, Saito shoots him and sends him further into Limbo. By doing this he allows Cobb to see his kids again, even though it is in limbo it is so real that Cobb doesn't know he is dreaming.

Honestly, how can Saito make a call and in 5 minutes Interpol, US Customs, the FBI, and local police all let Cobb go? Impossible.

Why does Caine say your welcome when Cobb arrives home off the plane? How did he even know which flight Cobb was on? Because he was Ariadine as a forger.

Why are Cobb's kids in the same position, wearing the same clothes, and the same age as when Cobb last saw them? Because in Limbo you construct things based on memory.
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Mr West said:
The whole point of the movie is that Cobb's father-in-law (Michael Caine) is actually doing Inception on Cobb, with the idea that is being planted that Cobb can live with his kids in reality.

When Cobb goes to Michael Caine's school and asks for a good architect for his plan, Caine gives him some random chick who Cobb ends up trusting completely.

You know why? Because Caine is also a forger like Eames and is actually Ariadine(juno girl).

This is why the girl is able to go deep inside with Caine, and why Mal(Cobb's natural defense system, like the security guards for Fischer in the car chase) never attacks Ariadine, because she would never attack her own Father.

When Cobb finds old Saito at the end, Saito shoots him and sends him further into Limbo. By doing this he allows Cobb to see his kids again, even though it is in limbo it is so real that Cobb doesn't know he is dreaming.

Honestly, how can Saito make a call and in 5 minutes Interpol, US Customs, the FBI, and local police all let Cobb go? Impossible.

Why does Caine say your welcome when Cobb arrives home off the plane? How did he even know which flight Cobb was on? Because he was Ariadine as a forger.

Why are Cobb's kids in the same position, wearing the same clothes, and the same age as when Cobb last saw them? Because in Limbo you construct things based on memory.
Hahahaha! This really made me laugh. Don't get me wrong, it's almost utter BS, but I think that it's a compelling (or in the very least, engaging) theory. It's just got some holes. You've got an overly active imagination. I'll give you that. Lol.
Mr West said:
The whole point of the movie is that Cobb's father-in-law (Michael Caine) is actually doing Inception on Cobb, with the idea that is being planted that Cobb can live with his kids in reality.

When Cobb goes to Michael Caine's school and asks for a good architect for his plan, Caine gives him some random chick who Cobb ends up trusting completely.

You know why? Because Caine is also a forger like Eames and is actually Ariadine(juno girl).

This is why the girl is able to go deep inside with Caine, and why Mal(Cobb's natural defense system, like the security guards for Fischer in the car chase) never attacks Ariadine, because she would never attack her own Father.

When Cobb finds old Saito at the end, Saito shoots him and sends him further into Limbo. By doing this he allows Cobb to see his kids again, even though it is in limbo it is so real that Cobb doesn't know he is dreaming.

Honestly, how can Saito make a call and in 5 minutes Interpol, US Customs, the FBI, and local police all let Cobb go? Impossible.

Why does Caine say your welcome when Cobb arrives home off the plane? How did he even know which flight Cobb was on? Because he was Ariadine as a forger.

Why are Cobb's kids in the same position, wearing the same clothes, and the same age as when Cobb last saw them? Because in Limbo you construct things based on memory.
Fucking.
No.
Everyone quoting my really old post, most of it is untrue, its just fun to BS a little bit.
the best movie i have ever watched in my life. unique ass plot and everything is just so..........right
bradgawthem said:
the best movie i have ever watched in my life. unique ass plot and everything is just so..........right
agreed. excellent film
bradgawthem said:
the best movie i have ever watched in my life. unique ass plot and everything is just so..........right
what about interstellar
Hype LVL said:
what about interstellar
intersteller was dope as fuck too. but the whole lucid dreaming plot inception has just did something to me
Hype LVL said:
what about interstellar
I came out of interstellar questioning if I even existed. walking out of the theater felt like a dream or hallucination to me. That's not healthy. Only saw it once never seeing it again
Frank Black said:
I came out of interstellar questioning if I even existed. walking out of the theater felt like a dream or hallucination to me. That's not healthy. Only saw it once never seeing it again
same :hah:
was crazy :damn:
Hype LVL said:
same :hah:
was crazy :damn:
shit was dope though :hah:

I just can't see myself watching it again without having a breakdown. My friends wanted to watch it high I was like nooooo
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i've seen this movie a lot of times and it's one of my favorites, i personally believe he's dreaming and i'll explain why..

remember the scene when ariadne and fischer are in limbo with mal, saito and cobb?​


when ariadne and fischer died in limbo, they went 1 level up to the snow fortress level and with each kick synchronized they ended up going one level up until they reached reality which was the plane.​

fischer waking up from the previous dream level (snow fortress)

now that we know what happens when you die in limbo (you end up going one level up if there is an existing level)

cobb even says this to ariadne, "after exploring the concept of a dream within a dream, i pushed us too far" so essentially they went too far within dreams and entered limbo.

so how did mal and cobb escape limbo? they committed suicide by getting run over by the train.​


they woke up one level up!


now to the ending, both cobb and saito are the only ones left in limbo as fischer and ariadne used the kicks to get back up to reality meaning the levels above cobb and saito are completely destroyed. arthur even tells ariadne when they get back up that cobb would be lost down there.​


so when cobb and saito kill themselves, where do they go? the levels above them are gone, total blackness so the only reasonable thought would be that cobb fills it with his subconscious and memory bringing us to the plane, now we know that the subconscious works its way through dreams so when cobb comes home and asks his children what they're doing?​

his son replies with "we're building a house on a cliff"

cobb was just in a house on a cliff, saito's house.​

i believe that after killing himself in limbo, cobb just wanted to dream about his kids, he wanted to finally meet them and his subconscious filled it with his needs on an empty level.​
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I love this movie soo much :nas: :hhh:

I watched it once, than a week later i watched it again :hhh:

I might watch it again ! Three times in two weeks!
mayday said:
i've seen this movie a lot of times and it's one of my favorites, i personally believe he's dreaming and i'll explain why..

remember the scene when ariadne and fischer are in limbo with mal, saito and cobb?​


when ariadne and fischer died in limbo, they went 1 level up to the snow fortress level and with each kick synchronized they ended up going one level up until they reached reality which was the plane.​

fischer waking up from the previous dream level (snow fortress)

now that we know what happens when you die in limbo (you end up going one level up if there is an existing level)

cobb even says this to ariadne, "after exploring the concept of a dream within a dream, i pushed us too far" so essentially they went too far within dreams and entered limbo.

so how did mal and cobb escape limbo? they committed suicide by getting run over by the train.​


they woke up one level up!


now to the ending, both cobb and saito are the only ones left in limbo as fischer and ariadne used the kicks to get back up to reality meaning the levels above cobb and saito are completely destroyed. arthur even tells ariadne when they get back up that cobb would be lost down there.​


so when cobb and saito kill themselves, where do they go? the levels above them are gone, total blackness so the only reasonable thought would be that cobb fills it with his subconscious and memory bringing us to the plane, now we know that the subconscious works its way through dreams so when cobb comes home and asks his children what they're doing?​

his son replies with "we're building a house on a cliff"

cobb was just in a house on a cliff, saito's house.​

i believe that after killing himself in limbo, cobb just wanted to dream about his kids, he wanted to finally meet them and his subconscious filled it with his needs on an empty level.​
Check Inception faq on imdb, they explain it well why its reality
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