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December 7th 2010

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kidprodigy said:
I think Cobb ended up in reality because I believe that his wedding ring was his true totem and not the top. The top I believe was Mal's totem and Cobb would always have his ring on in a dream because he still hadn't let her go due to his guilt & love for her. At the end his ring isn't on anymore which means either he's still in a dream but has finally let go or that he's in reality.
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this is a super good point. I didn't think anyone else knew about the wedding ring

+1000 cool points

I believe the whole movie is a dream tho lol
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this is a super good point. I didn't think anyone else knew about the wedding ring

+1000 cool points

I believe the whole movie is a dream tho lol
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Hah yea its something that once I picked up on gave the movie a whole new dimension to me. That's the beauty of Inception, it rewards you for being perceptive and it's so complex that you can really draw your own conclusion to how it all ends. Nolan knew the type of movie that he made and that's why ending it the way he did was brilliant.
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kidprodigy said:
Hah yea its something that once I picked up on gave the movie a whole new dimension to me. That's the beauty of Inception, it rewards you for being perceptive and it's so complex that you can really draw your own conclusion to how it all ends. Nolan knew the type of movie that he made and that's why ending it the way he did was brilliant.
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YESS!!!!

exactly!!!!

like 10 minutes into the movie I was like "the whole thing is a dream". my friend and I were talking about it once we got out of the threatre and it's crazy

it was like we saw 2 different movies  :omg:

watch it with the mentality that the whole thing is a dream. it's fucking crazy and awesome
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ok I'm legit going to sleep now lol
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still makes no sense to me that the kid would say something like that tbh. No kid that young is building houses on cliffs

Saito is super rich dude. He buys the whole airline.

That house could be his real house which his subconscious implanted into Limbo, bro

Saito is super rich right? He buys the whole airline. That house could be the house he owns in real life

He believed he was in real life. So the same principle that applies to Cobb could also apply to Saito:

His subconscious created the area around him based on his memories. So while he thought he was home, he was in a dream that was identical to his reality

Cobb tells Ariadne to never architect something in a dream that exists.This line is super important because it explains that they could be in a dream, but be surrounded by an environment identical to their real life

p.s. I believe Cobb is still in a dream and he dreams Saito as the correct age
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What?! You are just forming outlandish theories based on nothing. Lmao. I'm going based on the limits and contexts Nolan has created in the movie.

Yes, Cobb's kid can say he's building his house on the cliff. He's a kid for crying out loud. It doesn't mean that his kid are on the edge of a real big that falls of the earth.

Saito is rich in real life. He doesn't just dream up his house. He builds. He may have built it from memory, but he doesn't actually dream up anything at all. He's not the dreamer in Limbo. No one really is. There are just there like the marks in a sense since they fill it up with people from their subconscious but can't simply dream up anything like, say, Eames dreamt up a bigger gun when he told Arthur to not be afraid to dream a little bigger. That came from nowhere. If you re-watch the film, you'll realize that they can't dream up stuff in Limbo. They can only build from scratch so Saito's real life wealth really has nothing to do with it. Especially when you take in the fact that he was unaware he was in Limbo. He can't really control anything. That's why it's called subconscious. You cannot control it.

The only way it could be a more believable theory is if Cobb was the one that ended up in Limbo first and started building because he was actually aware. Saito was not aware of much from the real life other than very little bits and pieces of his memory that he might have modeled buildings after. Cobb was. And even saying Saito modeled things from his memory is grasping at straws because there is nothing in the movie to suggest that. The only reason it's even plausible is because Cobb once did it, but like I said already, Cobb was aware that he was in Limbo. All he had to do was convince his wife so that they would leave together.

Also, Cobb wasn't in Limbo alone so it's not very plausible that he just dreamt up a plane and all that stuff. He can't do that. He can only fill it with subconscious, and subconscious is that accurate.
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this is a super good point. I didn't think anyone else knew about the wedding ring

+1000 cool points

I believe the whole movie is a dream tho lol
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Everyone knew about the ring though. It's been brought up several times in numerous online discussions. I'm just trying to show you that even without the ring in the picture, other things do point to Cobb being awake. But well, take it as you will.
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It's obvious we're never going to agree bro and I'm not doing a good job at explaining what I'm trying to say. I'm just confusing you

the movie has like 100,000 explanations

for what it's worth, you're view on it is just as correct as mine is

I gotta sleep cuz it's like 6 am. Night :h5:
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Whoever was saying that Cobb's son couldnt build a house of a cliff without it being in a dream, should jump off one.
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imokhuede said:
Yeah, I decided to watch the last 45 minutes of the movie again while stopping in between to search for answers to specific questions I had online and finally figured it out.

The level is Limbo, but it isn't Cobb's dream. It's no one's actually. Since Cobb and Ariadne went in too deep to an un-designed level, they ended up in Limbo, but it wasn't Cobb that's the dreamer. He and Ariadne were just lost and ended up in Limbo. Remember when Cobb and Mal kept going deeper in and eventually ended up there? That's how he and Ariadne did also, that's why the remnant from his time there is all they have left.

So when they all ride the kick to each level, Cobb and Saito don't. Saito dies before the kick so he ends up in limbo first, and Cobb dies slowly with each level till he drowns in the van on the first, and re-enters up in Limbo (on the shore of his subconscious. But since Saito was already there, his men bring Cobb in, and Cobb reminds Saito of what he had once forgotten which is that he's living in a false world so Saito shoot both of them (not shown, but implied) thus waking them up.

Now, granted that Saito was only in Limbo before Cobb for a relatively short period of time in the real world, but if you remember, that time in Limbo is much longer — about 50 years according to Cobb from his first trip there — so Saito time there was already exponential which is why he is much older. I do believe that Cobb does get home. Brilliant film!

I'm still gonna watch the video you linked to by the way. Thanks for your input, guys.
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I get this, but if theyre already in Limbo the part that confuses me is why he washes up on the shore when he was in the skyscraper, maybe it has to do with him being dunked in the water in the van scene, yet it only re-sends him into Limbo?

They weren't lost and ended up in Limbo, they went deeper on purpose to get Fisher.

ALso if you notice on every layer of the dream Cobb and Saito talking about being "Young men together again"... and about how he might end up being an "Old men, filled with regret, waiting to die alone".... almost as if cobbs was planting that idea in saito as well
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I get this, but if theyre already in Limbo the part that confuses me is why he washes up on the shore when he was in the skyscraper, maybe it has to do with him being dunked in the water in the van scene, yet it only re-sends him into Limbo?

They weren't lost and ended up in Limbo, they went deeper on purpose to get Fisher.

ALso if you notice on every layer of the dream Cobb and Saito talking about being "Young men together again"... and about how he might end up being an "Old men, filled with regret, waiting to die alone".... almost as if cobbs was planting that idea in saito as well
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Yeah, it was because Cobb died on each level riding up to the top where he eventually drowns so he re-enters Limbo which is why he ends up on the shore again.

And "lost" wouldn't be the word per se. They were aware that they were likely to end up in unconstructed dream space (Limbo) where Fisher was, but it wasn't like there was any one particular dreamer of that level which is why I used "lost". It's not exactly the word I'm looking for. And yeah, they went deeper into Fisher, but they also went deeper into themselves.

Also, the old men line was from the beginning when Cobb wanted to extract from Saito's mind so Nolan just uses that as a reference point so that Saito can at least recall something that he and Cobb had said more than once when he was in Limbo. I think Nolan just worked that in to give himself some credibility for how Saito remembers Cobb.

It's great to finally understand this stuff. I'm not sure I've thought about a movie as much as this before.
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Skimming through thread, Pretty much agree with all you've said.
I mean, people are free to interpret the film how they please, but I only really see one answer.
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mattandr3ws said:
Skimming through thread, Pretty much agree with all you've said.
I mean, people are free to interpret the film how they please, but I only really see one answer.
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He did design the movie that way though. It really is thought-provoking and discussion-stimulating. But that's the only way I see it to make any sense, except someone brings in something that I had totally missed. I literally took every crucial info I could find to try to see how it would make my explanation collapse on itself, but it has been very solid.

Is that really Nolan's sheet? Only just glanced over it, but it's not very complete. Ariadne isn't there. Looks like a rough sketch, but great find though. I saw the one below online, and it really messed with my mind because it was just wrong and claustrophobic.
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It was all a dream/thread
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imokhuede said:
Yeah, I decided to watch the last 45 minutes of the movie again while stopping in between to search for answers to specific questions I had online and finally figured it out.

The level is Limbo, but it isn't Cobb's dream. It's no one's actually. Since Cobb and Ariadne went in too deep to an un-designed level, they ended up in Limbo, but it wasn't Cobb that's the dreamer. He and Ariadne were just lost and ended up in Limbo. Remember when Cobb and Mal kept going deeper in and eventually ended up there? That's how he and Ariadne did also, that's why the remnant from his time there is all they have left.

So when they all ride the kick to each level, Cobb and Saito don't. Saito dies before the kick so he ends up in limbo first, and Cobb dies slowly with each level till he drowns in the van on the first, and re-enters up in Limbo (on the shore of his subconscious. But since Saito was already there, his men bring Cobb in, and Cobb reminds Saito of what he had once forgotten which is that he's living in a false world so Saito shoot both of them (not shown, but implied) thus waking them up.

Now, granted that Saito was only in Limbo before Cobb for a relatively short period of time in the real world, but if you remember, that time in Limbo is much longer — about 50 years according to Cobb from his first trip there — so Saito time there was already exponential which is why he is much older. I do believe that Cobb does get home. Brilliant film!
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kidprodigy said:
I think Cobb ended up in reality because I believe that his wedding ring was his true totem and not the top. The top I believe was Mal's totem and Cobb would always have his ring on in a dream because he still hadn't let her go due to his guilt & love for her. At the end his ring isn't on anymore which means either he's still in a dream but has finally let go or that he's in reality.
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Is that really Nolan's sheet? Only just glanced over it, but it's not very complete. Ariadne isn't there. Looks like a rough sketch, but great find though. I saw the one below online, and it really messed with my mind because it was just wrong and claustrophobic.
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they say it is (i think it's in an official (?) book about Inception)

here some more infographics about Inception
I didn't read them all yet, but some are really cool (and some explain more than others)








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Woah! I agree with those two the most. Coincidental how the most aesthetically pleasing infographs are the most correct.
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some of these infographics have it wrong, they need to see the movie again, i dont think they know what the *kick" is

falling off the building can't be a kick, because theres nothing to wake up from theyre already awake in that dream.



jumping off the bldg was suicide, in which simoultaneous events happened in a bunker that woke them up (the defribulators and the explosion of the bunker). those were the kicks.

but see some people say the city was Cobb's dream, some say it was Limbo

unless drowning in the van is what ultimately brought him down into limbo
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some of these infographics have it wrong, they need to see the movie again, i dont think they know what the *kick" is

falling off the building can't be a kick, because theres nothing to wake up from theyre already awake in that dream.

jumping off the bldg was suicide, in which simoultaneous events happened in a bunker that woke them up (the defribulators and the explosion of the bunker). those were the kicks.

but see some people say the city was Cobb's dream, some say it was Limbo

unless drowning in the van is what ultimately brought him down into limbo
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I do think the third level's kick is the building falling off. If you notice where Eames plants the explosive on the building, it's right below pillars that hold it up. They have to feel a sense of falling in the dream to wake up, but they can't fall in on an upper level first because they'll probably just end up in limbo anyways for failing to make the kick that why all the levels involve dropping. Ariadne and Fisher drop in the last to get to the first. Also, if you notice, Fisher goes first to open the giant safe where his dad is. The defibrillator is just the warning for the last level like the music is for the others. There was no music to play in the third to warn them of when that level's kick was going to come in so they improvised using the defibrillator as a warning through the lightning.
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