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So don't get me wrong, I think MBDTF was a masterpiece and enjoy WTT a lot more than most of the members here. I just remember back in '09 when he said this:
Kanye said:
So many people get caught up in trying to remake their first album, and it's impossible for me to make another College Dropout, but I can make the best Graduation or 808s & Heartbreak I can make. And that's how I think you keep advancing as an artist, and so many Hip-Hop artists have ever advanced. The songs on their 7th, 8th album sound exactly like the songs on their first album. More than I'm an artist I'm a person, and people grow.
And we advanced from this:
[youtubeaudio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgtZHXEmvFQ[/youtubeaudio]
To this:
[youtubeaudio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzL1k2Rvq_M[/youtubeaudio]

Now the second song is great, probably my favorite track on the album, but when you compare it to Never Let Me Down it just feels like it's missing something. Older Ye & Jay tracks had a warm feeling to them, now it's more about Jay bragging about his $600M and Kanye feeling insecure about his $80M.

anyways just my opinion, feel free to give any constructive criticism or better yet spam insults and smilies
 

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honestly i expected this album to be like Never Let Me Down, totally not what i expected, but i still like it
 

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runawaykwest said:
honestly i expected this album to be like Never Let Me Down, totally not what i expected, but i still like it

Why would you ever expect that at all? This isn't 2004 anymore.
 

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neph27 said:
No.

It's about progression.
If you think Kanye has progressed as an artist since College Dropout then I don't know what you are listening to.  He used to talk about deep, existential issues and his perspective on different topics.  Now he talks about how much money him and his friends have.  Yeah... that's really some progression...
 

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runawaykwest said:
who said nobody could write the way they did before?
kanye, actually
but he isn't always a reliable source of information
 

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runawaykwest said:
honestly i expected this album to be like Never Let Me Down, totally not what i expected, but i still like it
you know Kanye is for progression, why would he go backwards?
 

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runawaykwest said:
who said nobody could write the way they did before?
Theyre different people entirely. Kanye isn't up and coming. Jay is much older, wiser, and has a lot more money.

Nothing on grad/MBDTF/blueprint 3 sounds like never let me down either
 

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P4F said:
If you think Kanye has progressed as an artist since College Dropout then I don't know what you are listening to.  He used to talk about deep, existential issues and his perspective on different topics.  Now he talks about how much money him and his friends have.  Yeah... that's really some progression...
are you saying going from being poor to having money isnt progress? if so idk what nation you live in. :kanyeshrug:
 

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If you think Kanye has progressed as an artist since College Dropout then I don't know what you are listening to.  He used to talk about deep, existential issues and his perspective on different topics.  Now he talks about how much money him and his friends have.  Yeah... that's really some progression...
umad sad depressed?
 

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808s&Heartbreak said:
are you saying going from being poor to having money isnt progress? if so idk what nation you live in. :kanyeshrug:
I don't care about his bank account, I care about the music.  Is he paying you to suck his dick?  If not, then why do you care about his income so much.
 

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neph27 said:
Theyre different people entirely. Kanye isn't up and coming. Jay is much older, wiser, and has a lot more money.

Nothing on grad/MBDTF/blueprint 3 sounds like never let me down either
its not impossible, is all im saying

808s&Heartbreak said:
you know Kanye is for progression, why would he go backwards?
i never said that, i said i was expecting different
 

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P4F said:
If you think Kanye has progressed as an artist since College Dropout then I don't know what you are listening to.
Stop posting.

Musically he is on an entirely new level then the rest of rap. He's doing more for the genre then anyone else right now. This is bar setting. This is what rap music is in 2011.

Listen to "No Church" again right now. Tell me he doesn't paint an incredibly vivid picture in his first verse. Tell me he lost it. Did you listen to New Day? Murder to Excellence?

Just because his subject matter is darker doesn't mean it's worse. You probably wanted Bruno Mars on Lift Off.
 

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runawaykwest said:
who said nobody could write the way they did before?
When I hear CD or LR it sounds old. It doesn't sound like something that can come out in today's music. Sure their great albums but it's not the direction music is heading
 

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P4F said:
I don't care about his bank account, I care about the music.  Is he paying you to suck his dick?  If not, then why do you care about his income so much.
His progression as a musical artist has been INSANE since then. How anyone can say CD era Kanye is a better composer then RIGHT NOW is beyond me.
 
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