33 RPM vinyl ?

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Franc0

Discussion Starter · Oct 21, 2019

Barely used format
Worst sounding format

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Audiohead

· #61 · Oct 21, 2019

levishouse said:
The major factor in how vinyl sounds is bass. The more bass the worst it will sound on vinyl due to like 50hz and below being rolled off completely. If there was no roll off the needle would jump everywhere

Professional audio engineer and mixer here-

You are correct about what you are saying in regards to having to roll off below 50hz on vinyl. However 1: 50hz is still a deep low sub frequency. You really aren’t loosing much that’s noticeable on most systems. 2. If you have a decent turn table with speakers at all, you should be able to turn the record up and hear PLENTY of lowend. Or better yet, get an amp for your speakers that has EQ on it so you can just EQ more lowend after the fact to however you want to hear it.

Vinyl is dope

Johnny_dior

· #62 · Oct 21, 2019

thezucker said:
That's 33 shots from twin glocks

Ohshititsjess

· #63 · Oct 21, 2019

The use of the word "Vinyls" instead of records in this thread is about to make me off myself

Ohshititsjess

· #64 · Oct 21, 2019

Audiohead said:
Professional audio engineer and mixer here-

You are correct about what you are saying in regards to having to roll off below 50hz on vinyl. However 1: 50hz is still a deep low sub frequency. You really aren’t loosing much that’s noticeable on most systems. 2. If you have a decent turn table with speakers at all, you should be able to turn the record up and hear PLENTY of lowend. Or better yet, get an amp for your speakers that has EQ on it so you can just EQ more lowend after the fact to however you want to hear it.

Vinyl is dope

Crazy people act like 50Hz isn't low as fuck lmao. Most of an 808 is well above 50Hz. People should probably quit listening to records on their Crosleys and get a real HiFi system before they start spouting off shit about analog music.

levishouse

· #65 · Oct 21, 2019

Audiohead said:
Professional audio engineer and mixer here-

You are correct about what you are saying in regards to having to roll off below 50hz on vinyl. However 1: 50hz is still a deep low sub frequency. You really aren’t loosing much that’s noticeable on most systems. 2. If you have a decent turn table with speakers at all, you should be able to turn the record up and hear PLENTY of lowend. Or better yet, get an amp for your speakers that has EQ on it so you can just EQ more lowend after the fact to however you want to hear it.

Vinyl is dope

true as well. I'm also a professional mastering engineer that only specialises in mastering. My reply was more to do with 808's and the "newer" music that is being put to vinyl. Generally rolling off 808's make them sound terrible. Older records with more low end sound better on vinyl due to the real bass having more harmonics and are generally being played higher up the register so they can be rolled off easier.

levishouse

· #66 · Oct 21, 2019

Ohshititsjess said:
Crazy people act like 50Hz isn't low as fuck lmao. Most of an 808 is well above 50Hz. People should probably quit listening to records on their Crosleys and get a real HiFi system before they start spouting off shit about analog music.

not at all. Distortion gives the 808's some nice harmonics and helps it cut through the mix but the low makes a lot of difference. Run one of your favourite bass heavy song with 808's into a DAW and check how low it goes. Some people may cut 20hz and below, which effects the 808 a lot less than rolling off at 50hz

Ohshititsjess

· #67 · Oct 21, 2019

levishouse said:
not at all. Distortion gives the 808's some nice harmonics and helps it cut through the mix but the low makes a lot of difference. Run one of your favourite bass heavy song with 808's into a DAW and check how low it goes. Some people may cut 20hz and below, which effects the 808 a lot less than rolling off at 50hz

I cut everything at 40Hz when I master for digital, most of the time (Yes there are some exceptions, it's on a case by case basis). Yes there is a bunch of stuff below 50Hz but it's mostly inaudible anyway. Cutting an 808 at 50Hz vs 20Hz isn't going to make a big difference. Also most speakers response range starts at 40-50hz. You have to get into fairly expensive subwoofers that actually sound good at 20Hz.

T-Bib

· #68 · Oct 21, 2019

Ohshititsjess said:
33 1/3 rpm is the most widely used format for vinyl records ever. Are you fucking dumb?

Thank you !! I feel like this thread is full of kids born in early 2000 that faint to know what Vinyls are

bosoxrule43

· #69 · Oct 21, 2019

Franc0 said:
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El Coche

· #70 · Oct 21, 2019

Ohshititsjess said:
The use of the word "Vinyls" instead of records in this thread is about to make me off myself

agreed. The proper plural of vinyl is....

Vinyl

PADYBU

· #71 · Oct 21, 2019

levishouse said:
definitely agree with most of this. I'm just saying the newer more 808 and kick driven tracks are generally going to sound super shit on vinyl tbh. Yes there are exceptions to records on vinyl having better sound low end but that probably has to do with the low end actually being mixed quieter in comparison to today's music and maybe some trickery to make you perceive said low end as louder/better when in reality it may be some engineering trickery

fair enough. I haven't heard a new, bad pressing in that regard and thought to myself that it's because of the medium, I'd probably have just chalked it up to the master not being right enough. On another note I do think certains sounds could suit digital more than vinyl or cassette etc and vice versa

I've had some debates on this specific issue before with some high profile audiophiles (pbthal). Engineering trickery!... give me all of that please, if something sounds preferable to me and it just happens to be an engineer's tweak, then let that man tweak the shit out of my music please lol. Because at the end of the day, that's what it's about, whatever you yourself can enjoy more. Y'all can try for a consensual flat sound but it'd be weird to think that whatever the consensus.. or the percerption of consensus likes, you must like aswell. The difference between a fake better sound and a true better sound doesn't matter to me. If it's preferred, then it's preferred.

Now, as you may know, on the other hand there is the shallow listener who thinks brighter = more details = better... and this is a thought process that has rendered many reissues, including from the likes of MFSL, ear ache inducing. What can I say though, their opinion is their opinion :/

Ohshititsjess said:
The use of the word "Vinyls" instead of records in this thread is about to make me off myself

look up the difference between mass nouns and count nouns and it should save you from your suicide. Vinyl is in the catagory of both mass and count nouns, like cheese, beer, wine, rubber etc. That ol complaint is just an excuse for smug music nerds to be pedantic bitches :work:

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Audiohead

· #72 · Oct 21, 2019

Ohshititsjess said:
I cut everything at 40Hz when I master for digital, most of the time (Yes there are some exceptions, it's on a case by case basis). Yes there is a bunch of stuff below 50Hz but it's mostly inaudible anyway. Cutting an 808 at 50Hz vs 20Hz isn't going to make a big difference. Also most speakers response range starts at 40-50hz. You have to get into fairly expensive subwoofers that actually sound good at 20Hz.

+1 for good info. Nice to run into another engineer in here

levishouse

· #73 · Oct 21, 2019

Ohshititsjess said:
I cut everything at 40Hz when I master for digital, most of the time (Yes there are some exceptions, it's on a case by case basis). Yes there is a bunch of stuff below 50Hz but it's mostly inaudible anyway. Cutting an 808 at 50Hz vs 20Hz isn't going to make a big difference. Also most speakers response range starts at 40-50hz. You have to get into fairly expensive subwoofers that actually sound good at 20Hz.

I suppose it's all preference. The monitors I work on are 1970's modded with a custom made amp. The environment has been treated and designed by the engineer (Andy Allen)for massive attack/portishead and you can hear the slightest inconsistency at most frequencies depending on how good your ear is. If we rolled off that much on most records it would sound terrible through our speakers but I guess that doesn't matter to most consumers but if it sounds good on amazing speakers/shit speakers/medium grade speakers then your onto a winner

ovostewart

· #74 · Oct 21, 2019

Dat ***** Gerald said:
45 sounds better than 33 but who gives a shit this is gonna be some shitily mixed mike dean effort so gonna sound ass whatever format

yeah, maybe after the second or third update to the album mike will have it sounding right. L

Ohshititsjess

· #75 · Oct 21, 2019

PADYBU said:
fair enough. I haven't heard a new, bad pressing in that regard and thought to myself that it's because of the medium, I'd probably have just chalked it up to the master not being right enough. On another note I do think certains sounds could suit digital more than vinyl or cassette etc and vice versa

I've had some debates on this specific issue before with some high profile audiophiles (pbthal). Engineering trickery!... give me all of that please, if something sounds preferable to me and it just happens to be an engineer's tweak, then let that man tweak the shit out of my music please lol. Because at the end of the day, that's what it's about, whatever you yourself can enjoy more. Y'all can try for a consensual flat sound but it'd be weird to think that whatever the consensus.. or the percerption of consensus likes, you must like aswell. The difference between a fake better sound and a true better sound doesn't matter to me. If it's preferred, then it's preferred.

Now, as you may know, on the other hand there is the shallow listener who thinks brighter = more details = better... and this is a thought process that has rendered many reissues, including from the likes of MFSL, ear ache inducing. What can I say though, their opinion is their opinion :/
look up the difference between mass nouns and count nouns and it should save you from your suicide. Vinyl is in the catagory of both mass and count nouns, like cheese, beer, wine, rubber etc. That ol complaint is just an excuse for smug music nerds to be pedantic bitches

I was talking about calling records vinyls. They're records, not vinyls.

maff50

· #76 · Oct 21, 2019

levishouse said:
also true. If it does get pressed though you always run the risk of the needle jumping when there's heavy sections of bass. I can send master's off to get pressed with heavy bass and they will most of the time get pressed but if I haven't rolled the bass off that needle ain't gunna like it

Most of them won't like it and send you it back. It's why its best to get your music mastered by a specialist vinyl mastering engineer

Dojomuppet

· #77 · Oct 22, 2019

What rpm was Nasir? Cuz if that was 33 too which is standard we have nothing to worry about cuz that vinyl sounded great and was also mixed by Mike I believe

1259602

· #78 · Oct 22, 2019

OP is a fucking idiot

PADYBU

· #79 · Oct 22, 2019

Ohshititsjess said:
I was talking about calling records vinyls. They're records, not vinyls.

Yeah I know what you were reffering to. They are both acceptable uses. When we say "vinyl" itt we're talking about the countable entity, not the material. To claim that the pluralisation is incorrect would be inconsitastant of us with our own way of speaking.

Records could be in so many different ways. Arn't movies just consecutive pictures recorded on film, to put it simply? and we still call them films. If you like you could say "motion pictures" instead, as it would be more proper than "film" but "films" is still an acceptable use. Film is the support the visual recordings are on as vinyl is the support the audible recordings are on. If there are films, there can be vinyls.

Stagger_Lee

· #80 · Oct 22, 2019

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