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Tupac is alive (KTT with the proof!) OP updated with more reasons!

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that was actually interesting as ****

damn son, where'd you find this?

tbh, the part about facial hair got me like


This and the other car things....

I'm not saying he's alive...but somethings not right here. And I've never been convinced by any arguments until now.

On September 13th 1996, American rapper 2pac Shakur was pronounced as being fatally killed by a series of gunshot wounds. Despite this, there is much surrounding his 'death' that doesn't add up. Now you're probably reading this thinking, this has got to be one of those whacked out 'conspiracy theories' going against everything ever officially reported, if he was alive we would know for certain, right? I initially thought the same seeing such claims too. It wasn't long however, before I found myself uncovering much more about his supposed death and the circumstances situated around it that made be begin to think otherwise. I began to realise that actually, such claims that 2pac may have faked his own death and is still alive may have more truths to them than what first appears, as it is evident that there is more to this story than what was ever officially reported..
It all began a couple years ago when I was on Youtube listening to 2pac and some of his songs. On the sidebar I saw a link titled "2PAC ALIVE 2014 RETURN - MUST WATCH!!". Of course I thought, another stereotypical video discrediting people questioning real conspiracies and cover-ups. Being a huge 2pac fan I couldn't help but take an interest in seeing what these people were claiming and so clicked the video anyway. What I saw next could not have surprised me more, as it was suggesting the last known photo of 2pac alive the night he had allegedly been shot, was fake!

Pictured above on the left is the photo in its original form. What stands out about it most is that there are no keys in the ignition! This can be seen clearly from the close up picture to the right. It was reported that this photo was allowed to be taken by paparazzi while 2pac and his manager Suge Knight were waiting at traffic lights. With this in mind, it isn't possible that the car would have been able to take off without any keys.

Another strong piece of evidence made against the photo is a picture snapped of 2pac and Suge Knight earlier. The night 2pac was 'killed', he was at the MGM strip in Las Vegas to see a Mike Tyson boxing match. Interestingly if you look at the picture seen below you will notice something doesn't add up. It is very obvious if you examine the facial hair on 2pac's chin, you can see that in the picture where he is in the car his beard is much longer!

Finally, if you didn't think that was enough, this last piece of evidence against the 'final' photo is BY FAR the most compelling as it is quite clear that the photo of 2pac seen is actually his military portrait. Below you can see that this photo has been overlayed on top of the photo where he is seen in the car and is faded out gradually. The results are a perfect match..

If you look at his eyes throughout each frame they remain the same while the lighting changes..

This got me thinking, why on earth would somebody go to the trouble and effort to fake the last photo of 2pac being alive? There would have to be a reason for it, and so lead me to investigate further in finding out what else really happened that night. It turns out there were a number of things out of the ordinary. It was very strange for 2pac not to be wearing his bullet-proof vest as after less than a year earlier, 2pac had survived a point blank shooting in New York. It was because of this he was always seen to be wearing one. 
According to his cousin, Jamal Lesane:
"Normally he wouldn't leave without it, but this time he left it behind and didn't have it with him." 
E.D.I also claims that night Kastro told 2pac he should put his vest on, but replied "It's too hot tonight."

Before the alleged shooting that would become known as the fatal night 2pac died, he and his camaraderie of Outlawz and bodyguards made their way across the Vegas strip to a mansion belonging to Suge Knight. According to members of The Outlawz, Suge and 2pac unexpectedly disappeared briefly while the others waited patiently.
"I don't really know what Pac or Suge was doing at the time, I just knew we was waiting and I was ready to go."
Reportedly after about half an hour, with 2pac and the others now ready to leave for a show at club 662, 2pac made an unusual request to his bodyguard, Frank Alexander.
"I was walking to the car with Suge and Pac when I was opening up the door to get in the backseat. Then Pac stopped me and said no take the keys and go drive the Lexus with the Outlawz, we're going to be drinking and you're going to be the designated driver to drive us back after we've finished parting."
This was even more out of the ordinary as 2pac would never go anywhere in public without at least one of his bodyguards for his safety. Given such abnormal circumstances, what happened later involving his 'death', was was either very convenient, or a total coincidence..

The story officially reported of 2pac's death is of he and Suge waiting at more traffic lights along the MGM strip, when a white Cadillac was seen pulling up next to them and began firing shots into their BMW. Frank Alexander was in the Lexus behind 2pac and described the scene as he saw it.

"After the Cadillac shot into the car I thought they were dead, my reaction was to run up to the car, but instead the car sped up and took off."
The BMW went onto makes a hard right u-turn and race off in the opposite direction.
"I didn't know what to think, it was a faulk, it was a haze. Were these real bullets? Did they really shoot these guys?.."

Frank also made mention that some of the other cars containing security went in pursuit of the white Cadillac, although failed to catch up to it and identify the vehicle plate. To this day nobody knows who killed 2pac and the case remains an unsolved murder.

The events that followed suit involved 2pac being rushed to hospital, although the details as to how he arrived and by whom are uncertain due to three different scenarios being relayed by different accounts.

According to media 2pac and Suge were found in the BMW with all four tires blown out. An ambulance also apparently arrived on scene shortly after and was said to have rushed 2pac to hospital. Suge describes a different series of events, claiming in an interview he drove 2pac to the hospital himself, he then however is oddly seen changing his story to coincide with that of official media reports! The third and final account is that of a by-stander still on scene when asked on camera what she had just witnessed.

"We were pretty far down the street when it happened, we didn't know if we heard gunshots, we didn't know exactly what we heard, we heard a lot of screaming and car screeching. We ran up the street as cops were running past us and by the time we got here they were already taking which now I found out is 2pac into the helicopter away."
Did this person say something she wasn't supposed to? .. Afterwards nobody else on the scene was further asked for questioning and reports continued to detail 2pac being met by an ambulance at the scene of the broken down BMW.

How much more bizarre could this night get? .. Well as it turns out things were only beginning to get stranger.

Pictured above on the left is a picture of the crime scene where the BMW came to its end. The damage to the rims can be seen from the blown out tires. Pictured to the right is news footage showing investigators examining the supposed car 2pac and Suge were in. Here's where it gets weird, if you look at the wheels of both cars neither match up.

When both cars are seen from another angle it is unmistakable that these are two totally different vehicles! This begs the question, why was this second car being examined and why was it on the scene??

When 2pac finally did arrive to the hospital, more reports began to contradict each other suggesting further evidence of a cover-up. No reporters were allowed in the hospital, yet medical personnel inside the building were seen on TV giving the following statement concerning 2pac's medical condition -
"He is severely injured internally and has multiple gunshot wounds to the chest."
While this was taking place other media sources reported the following -
"We've been informed that doctors have told the family members that they can expect the rap-star to once again recover from his injuries."
As well as this a police communication supervisor who identified herself as Mrs. Coleman stated -
"The rapper will survive".
These are all indisputably things that would only be said if it was clear that a recovery was imminent.
Despite such statements, 2pac remained in hospital reportedly in an induced coma before apparently passing away from internal bleeding.

The very next day after 2pac was said to have passed his body was cremated! This is unheard of after a murder as bodies are usually held onto for longer so forensics can be properly examined to determine the cause of death, as well as piece together any evidence against finding out who the killer may be. It is because of this that it is difficult to imagine how a conclusive autopsy could have possibly taken place in such a short amount of time.

In September of 1997 a book was written and released by Cathy Scott, a Las Vegas Sun reporter. "The Killing Of Tupac Shakur" The book claimed to exclusively obtain a photo of 2pac's autopsy that had been leaked to her. Cathy would never go onto disclose her source but rather only say - "I would never release anything I thought was fake."

Pictured below is the photo contained in Cathy Scott's book. While taking a closer look it is undoubtedly obvious that the alleged autopsy photo IS fake for two stand-out reasons.

Firstly, the tattoo seen on 2pac's right side of his neck "MAKAVELI" is not seen in the autopsy picture .. As if that wasn't enough, it is visible even to the naked eye to see that the edges of the back of his head, neck and elbow are noticeably choppy around the edges, indicating the photo seen likely was taken from another source similar to how the 'final' photo had been faked.

Could the above autopsy photo have been pieced together by manipulating frames from the music video 'California Love' where 2pac is laying in a similar body position?
.. It's possible.


Further confirmation to suggest that 2pac never really underwent any post-death procedures at all can be verified from the documents above. Seen to the left is 2pac's Official Coroner's report, obtained directly from the Coroner's office. To the right is his drivers license that had been issued 4 months earlier. When comparing the two it becomes evident that the Coroner's Report is riddled with inconsistencies also. As stated on his drivers license 2pac weighed 168lbs.
According to the Official Coroner's report 2pac weighed 215lbs, meaning he would have had to put on 47lbs in 4 months making him clinically obese for his height! 
Also, when examining the Social Security Number (SSN) on the Official Coroners report we see the # 546-47-8539.
Whats strange about this you ask? A number of reasons can be identified. Firstly this SSN is not registered in the official death index. Secondly this SSN was issued in the state of California, 1977 .. 2pac was born in Brooklyn, New York during 1971 and did not move to CA until the mid to late 80's. And thirdly this SSN is still considered an active number!

With this all in mind it is undeniable that the circumstances revolving around 2pac's death simply just don't add up or make sense.


20 other reasons why 2Pac is alive

Below are the top 20 reasons why 2Pac is still alive. I have heard over 50 reasons to prove he is alive, but I decided on the top 20, and posted them here! I have included some other info that may prove some reasons wrong as well... Even some reasons that prove Suge Knight killed him... I suggest printing out this page so you can show everyone! If you think 2Pac is dead or there's no kind of scandal in his death, prepare to be convinced otherwise!

1. 2Pac now calls himself Makaveli... Machiavelli was an Italian war strategist who advocated faking one's death to fool their enemies... 2Pac was a fan of his and had read his books several times. Perhaps 2Pac is taking his advice... (But that is not all Machiavelli did... Nicolo Machiavelli was a political, military theorist, historian, playwright, diplomat, and military planner. He is well known today. Some of his works are "The Prince" (1513), and The Art of War (1521). NOTE: Bone Thugs 'N' Harmony's new double album which features 2Pac rather Makaveli is called just that. "The Art Of War". Coincedence Or Not???)

2. 2Pac was cremated the day after he died... Since when does some one get cremated the day after a murder? There was no autopsy. Plus, no one can ask to dig up his grave like they wanted to do with Elvis and like they did with Abraham Lincoln. (In the new book entitled "Death Of Tupac Shakur" there is a picture of 2Pac receiving an autopsy. This may prove this reason to be false, or it's a fake (edited) picture. To my knowledge, 2Pac did not reveive an autopsy though. I don't know about this picture...)

3. 2Pac has completed 2 movies, 3 LP's, and keeps on appearing on new artist's albums... (Many of the unheard songs 2Pac has completed are unreleased and not on any albums) Why would he do so much at one time??? With so many people upset about 2Pac's death, literally anything connected with him is bound to net a whole lot of cash... (Yet, 2Pac had big plans for 'Makaveli Records'. This may be why he's completed so many songs. Makaveli Records is the the new record company 2Pac planned on doing with "Tha Outlaw Immortalz". He was leaving Death Row Records. Suge Knight could have killed 2Pac so they could get all the money. 2Pac's mother is currently suing Death Row Records for this money.)

4. In a 1994 interview with Tupac, he said before he went to prison that if he was ever sent to prison when he came out he would be worse than before. He was. He also said when he came out it would be like he was reborn. Was he speaking literally? He already died and he was worse when he came out of jail, plus Tupac switched his rapping name from 2Pac to Makaveli, that could be considered a rebirth, all that's left is a physical rebirth (A sighting) and so far he's already completed more than half of this prophecy.

5. The cover of 2Pac's latest album, Makaveli has 2Pac looking like Jesus Christ... Could he be planning a resurrection? (I am almost sure Death Row Records did this themselves for the publicity. It just adds to the whole 2Pac alive stuff which has been getting the album more sales.)

6. Las Vegas is a payoff city, meaning all sorts of folks have been known to be on the take. That means doctors, press, lawyers, etc. (This works both ways... The payoff city Las Vegas could be a factor in either 2Pac faking his death OR Suge Knight killing him.)

7. The producer on the new Makaveli album is simply "SIMON." This was the apostle who helped Jesus carry the cross and one of the first to witness his resurrection. Could Suge be SIMON?

8. There are many numerological coincidences. Tupac was gunned down exactly seven months after All Eyez On Me was released. The number seven keeps coming up too. He was shot on September 7th and survived on 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and died the 13th. This could explain the title of his new album.... "The Don Killuminati: The 7 day theory." 2pac was 25. His age adds up to 7 (2 + 5). Even his time of death, 4:03, adds up to 7 (4 + 0 + 3). Also, on track five on the Makaveli album the voice at the begining says "And if the Lord returns in the coming seven days, then we'll see ya next time." He even talks about the number 7 on his album! There are more 'coincidences' too.. The newest is on his brand new double album entitled "R U Still Down?". This album was released on November 25th. 2 + 5 = 7. The 7 day theory continues! What's with this?

9. Inside the cover of 2Pac's newest album, it reads "Exit: 2pac, Enter: Makaveli" as if 2pac has died and Makaveli born. There is also that statement by 2Pac saying when he came out it would be like he was reborn. (Refer to #4)

10. 2Pac's video 'I Ain't Mad At Ya' foretold his death .... 2Pac dies in that video. Then a new video came out under the name "Makaveli". Its just like 2Pac died in "I Ain't Mad At Cha", and Makaveli was born in "Toss It Up". Exit 2Pac Enter: Makaveli. It all makes sense!

11. In the video "Toss It Up", 2Pac is supposedly wearing some Penny Hardaway sneakers which were not available at the time of his death!!!! Also, some say in the video "Live & Die In LA" when 2Pac jumps in the car you see that he is wearing some Michael Jordan sneakers which were not available at the time of his death! (If 2pac is dead, then his double is doing his new videos... So, that explains tha shoes!)

12. In Tupac's song "Life of an Outlaw" on the album The 7 Day Theory, he says "All for the street fame on how to be managed, 6 months in advance to what we plotted, approved to go on swole and now I got it"-Life Of An Outlaw. This implies that Tupac planned his "death" in advance and now he is enjoying the success of his plan.

13. 2Pac always wore a bulletproof vest but for some strange reason he didn't wear one this time.. why not? (I've heard Suge Knight was caught on surveilance cameras at the fight telling 2Pac to take off the vest 'cause it was hot in there. If this is true, why would Suge Knight not want 2Pac wearing his vest???)

14. The memorial services that were open to the public were canceled in both Los Angeles and Atlanta... (This could be in the request of family or friends. It's quite possible.)

15. 2Pac's vehicle got shot 12 times and Suge didn't get hit once.. He was 'grazed' by a bullet.. Why did 2Pac get shot all those times and Suge not get hit?

16. The white Cadillac containing the assailants was never found... How could this be when Vegas is in the middle of a desert?

17. Las Vegas is in the middle of the desert. How come there was no helicopter chase? If some one were to rob a casino, the LVPD would've chased you down with some helicopters.. . How come this didn't happen with 2Pac shooting?

18. A shooting involving Snoop Doggy Dogg occurred close to the release of his album Doggystyle which made Snoop appear more "real" and showed that he really was a gangsta. The shooting gave him respect because everyone that bought his album believed what he was talking about. Within one week of its release, Doggystyle went platinum. Snoop is signed to the same label as Tupac which is Death Row Records.

19. Suge said he drove 2Pac to the hospital and they had a coherent conversation? How bad was 2Pac hit? In addition to all this .. there are conflicting stories claiming that Quincy Jone's daughter was in the back of the car.. and then she wasn't.. what's the deal for real?

20. Have you seen the video of the song "Smile" by Scarface, and Makaveli?? I have heard it is not 2Pac in that video. It is the look-alike from Ohio. (That's why '2Pac' never looks at the camera) The video starts out showing a car just like the one 2Pac got shot in, and the car of course has bullet holes in it! You then hear garbled words which I am currently decoding. Then, they show 2Pac (Makaveli) up posing as Jesus Christ again! That's Twice! Once on the album & now in this video!?


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Guarentee if hes alive he hates modern hip hop with all his heart
it's gettin technical i'll tell u that

omg i never thought this day would come
"Try to live as naturally as possible." - Lil B

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not readin all that

But don't call me mayweather
Jean Saudi Arabia

damn son, where'd you find this?

not readin all that

But don't call me mayweather
good one i aint gonna lie
it's gettin technical i'll tell u that

not readin all that

But don't call me mayweather
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Adam Sandler

everything surrounding pacs death has always been very suspicious and never really debunked .

this might be the greatest troll thread of all time

but what about suge getting shot? who was the man behind the gun if its a troll? :fly:
Bigg Oppai
Subete wa, watashitachi no megami o kangei shimasu.

uh oh

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