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The misconception of Islam

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n0vne
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Well said.






JSPR
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not as bad as christianity's history of violence

True.

Where Islam used to be peace-loving and the centre of the world (Persia, Arabia), it has become the violent religion, whereas for christianity it is exactly the other way around.
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True.

Where Islam used to be peace-loving and the centre of the world (Persia, Arabia), it has become the violent religion, whereas for christianity it is exactly the other way around.

the roman catholic church is still an unethical institution, most of the current Islamic backlash has to do with foreign interference on their lands, and that too only by extremist elements which are more focused on cultural tradition based on ethnic practices rather than the religion itself. If you ever visit the Muslim world, you'd realize that msot people there are as chill as they are in the West.
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It's sad that people speak without understanding the function of institutional racism, oppression and prejudice so much to the point that they log on to the internet using their cheaply made instruments by foreign labourers, clothed in garments made in sweatshops, to argue experiences they do not have with others they have no intention of listening to.

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And where exactly where the marches of muslims condemning the violence against innocent children @ the boston marathon?

**** this thread. Always trying to find excuses and blame media and Western people for the ****ed-up minds of muslims.

I wasn't aware it was our job to be captain obvious as Muslims. In YOUR mind that is our faith. Do you demand every cop denounce the NYPD or any police department every time they savagely beat an innocent civilian? Do you demand that every white person on Earth condemn the racist comments made by a single man who shares their colour? Why do you expect every Muslim to be responsible for the actions of individuals who have chosen not to follow our rules? THIS is the media and western people are blamed in the first place. You use blanket statements here you yourself denounce when it applies to you and speak to every body of people that isn't representative of you as if we are a single person of one mind.
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And **** off saying that the Quran is a book of peace. There are parts actively encouraging the killing of nonbelievers.

You also know Mohammed was married to a 9 year old girl right?

Google is your friend when you don't understand what you are talking about.

From the Qur'an

Ayah 60:8
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.


This verse makes it clear that Muslims are obliged to treat non-believers who do not fight Muslims but to be righteous and just towards them.

Ayah 2:256
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.


Clearly, if there was killing of non-Muslims simply for that fact, that would constitute compulsion.

From Sunnah and history

There is no evidence that the Prophet ever killed non-Muslims for that fact alone.
There are many many non-Muslim minorities that prospered and grew, even when Islam was the dominant religion (e.g. Christian minorities in Egypt, Jewish minorities in Andalusia and Iraq, Zoroastrian communities in Persia etc).

However, Islam is not a totally pacific religion -- it does not deny that there are times when fighting is necessary. There is a large body in Islamic jurisprudence on just war law. There are certain situations in which non-Muslim combatants (and only combatants, not civilians) may be killed. There are very strict rules about this, however.

For example, if non-Muslims are attacking Muslims, then in the presence of a qualified leader (a khalifah) Muslims may step in and fight the non-Muslims to prevent oppression. Indeed, even if non-Muslims are being oppressed by non-Muslims, Muslims may get involved in fighting the oppressed party.

Muslims may fight non-Muslims if the non-Muslims violate a peace treaty.

Many of the incorrect beliefs underpinning the tiny fraction of Muslims who are involved in terrorist groups come from a misunderstanding of the legal theory of war.

Oh this point about the Prophet. Again, research would be cool. Aisha was thought to be nine at her nikah at 14-15 at the time of consummation. Do yourself a favour and research the age of consent throughout the world today and historically in other Western and European nations. Context and Google will be your friend on that journey to understanding what you are talking about. Good day sir.
JSPR
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Google is your friend when you don't understand what you are talking about.

From the Qur'an

Ayah 60:8
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.


This verse makes it clear that Muslims are obliged to treat non-believers who do not fight Muslims but to be righteous and just towards them.

Ayah 2:256
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.


Clearly, if there was killing of non-Muslims simply for that fact, that would constitute compulsion.

From Sunnah and history

There is no evidence that the Prophet ever killed non-Muslims for that fact alone.
There are many many non-Muslim minorities that prospered and grew, even when Islam was the dominant religion (e.g. Christian minorities in Egypt, Jewish minorities in Andalusia and Iraq, Zoroastrian communities in Persia etc).

However, Islam is not a totally pacific religion -- it does not deny that there are times when fighting is necessary. There is a large body in Islamic jurisprudence on just war law. There are certain situations in which non-Muslim combatants (and only combatants, not civilians) may be killed. There are very strict rules about this, however.

For example, if non-Muslims are attacking Muslims, then in the presence of a qualified leader (a khalifah) Muslims may step in and fight the non-Muslims to prevent oppression. Indeed, even if non-Muslims are being oppressed by non-Muslims, Muslims may get involved in fighting the oppressed party.

Muslims may fight non-Muslims if the non-Muslims violate a peace treaty.

Many of the incorrect beliefs underpinning the tiny fraction of Muslims who are involved in terrorist groups come from a misunderstanding of the legal theory of war.

Oh this point about the Prophet. Again, research would be cool. Aisha was thought to be nine at her nikah at 14-15 at the time of consummation. Do yourself a favour and research the age of consent throughout the world today and historically in other Western and European nations. Context and Google will be your friend on that journey to understanding what you are talking about. Good day sir.

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not as bad as christianity's history of violence
King-Saigen
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Dis old news boi.

But sectarian violence in the middle east, mainly in Iraq and Syria is a huge issue. Which cannot be denied.
King-Saigen
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Fighting back is their right, but the extremists in this situation take the case to their own understanding. They believe that innocent people are being killed in the dozens in their homeland. This is, for the most part, true. Organizations like Al-Qaeda then take weak minded people and influence them that the cause is to payback and let America or Britian or whatever country feel their pain.
America made Al-Qaeda as a scape goat to invade the middle east. Nothing more, nothing less. They are essentially puppets of foreign policy. We kill them in Iraq and Afghanistan, and give them aid in Syria.

But in the end, the U.S. governemt gets what it wants in the end...the ultimate destablization of the middle east.
Loveless
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It's sad that people speak without understanding the function of institutional racism, oppression and prejudice so much to the point that they log on to the internet using their cheaply made instruments by foreign labourers, clothed in garments made in sweatshops, to argue experiences they do not have with others they have no intention of listening to.
its sad that you dont even know whats written in your own holy book to claim that Islam is a peaceful religion
Loveless
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Because every religion has it's extremists.

Murder's forbidden in Islam.
quran contradicts itself often
for every verse that says murder is forbidden, there is 1 that says kill infidels/apostates
Loveless
I stay noid
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Google is your friend when you don't understand what you are talking about.

From the Qur'an

Ayah 60:8
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.


This verse makes it clear that Muslims are obliged to treat non-believers who do not fight Muslims but to be righteous and just towards them.

Ayah 2:256
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.


Clearly, if there was killing of non-Muslims simply for that fact, that would constitute compulsion.

From Sunnah and history

There is no evidence that the Prophet ever killed non-Muslims for that fact alone.
There are many many non-Muslim minorities that prospered and grew, even when Islam was the dominant religion (e.g. Christian minorities in Egypt, Jewish minorities in Andalusia and Iraq, Zoroastrian communities in Persia etc).

However, Islam is not a totally pacific religion -- it does not deny that there are times when fighting is necessary. There is a large body in Islamic jurisprudence on just war law. There are certain situations in which non-Muslim combatants (and only combatants, not civilians) may be killed. There are very strict rules about this, however.

For example, if non-Muslims are attacking Muslims, then in the presence of a qualified leader (a khalifah) Muslims may step in and fight the non-Muslims to prevent oppression. Indeed, even if non-Muslims are being oppressed by non-Muslims, Muslims may get involved in fighting the oppressed party.

Muslims may fight non-Muslims if the non-Muslims violate a peace treaty.

Many of the incorrect beliefs underpinning the tiny fraction of Muslims who are involved in terrorist groups come from a misunderstanding of the legal theory of war.

Oh this point about the Prophet. Again, research would be cool. Aisha was thought to be nine at her nikah at 14-15 at the time of consummation. Do yourself a favour and research the age of consent throughout the world today and historically in other Western and European nations. Context and Google will be your friend on that journey to understanding what you are talking about. Good day sir.
quran contradicts itself often
for every verse that says murder is forbidden, there is 1 that says kill infidels/apostates
SA
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quran contradicts itself often
for every verse that says murder is forbidden, there is 1 that says kill infidels/apostates

You're not looking at the context
Loveless
I stay noid
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You're not looking at the context
this is the go-to muslim response to any questionable material in the quran
and yes i am. there are literally hundreds of verses in the quran which order you to kill infidels and apostates
Chemical X
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What white people needs to know is al qaeda and other islam terrorist groups are like KKK to Christianity.....
this is a great straight to the point answer
SA
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this is the go-to muslim response to any questionable material in the quran
and yes i am. there are literally hundreds of verses in the quran which order you to kill infidels and apostates

You clearly aren't, reading context isn't as simple as reading the couple verses before and after, the Qur'an has to be interpreted intelligently. There is not a place in the Qur'an which condones indiscriminate slaughter of anyone. Here, read these:

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"Slay Them" - If They Attack You First

For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Quran 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).

It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.

"Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties

A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context.

This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them... (as quoted above).

Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them... for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."
Loveless
I stay noid
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You clearly aren't, reading context isn't as simple as reading the couple verses before and after, the Qur'an has to be interpreted intelligently. There is not a place in the Qur'an which condones indiscriminate slaughter of anyone. Here, read these:

i think you missed the part where i said there are hundreds and you are only explaining two
and i already know the aforementioned verses, and theyre not the ones im talking about

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