Kanye To The: Kanye West

ehh i see what you mean... but that IS what the song is meant to be. A mainstream rap song with no lyrical depth, but that is still fun (nobody knows what it means but its provocative). Plus its mainstream rap done WELL. this aint soulja boy.

/thread tbh

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yes look how this little piece of hip hop culture changed the game, I see a bright future ahead of us
lil b , waka floka , lil wyte




you live high in the sky like a king but you only come up with bull**** music for little ****ers

this piece of art should really be called "trying to stay relevant, get richer and richer, piss on hip hop"
thank you jay & k

Yo jump off that high horse real quick. Just because the album has a concept doesn't mean there's a deeper meaning in each track. Niggas In Paris title fits the theme, yet there's only a few actual lines within the song that do. I'll use your own logic and ask: ever wonder why Lift Off and I Can't Stop are on the album?

Care to deconstruct why my actual argument is invalid?

Also:
-Understanding things like slavery is not me being on a high horse. It's humbling knowledge that progresses our culture and moral reasoning.

-Check out the tracklist. There is no song called "I Can't Stop": http://www.amazon.com/Watch-Throne-Jay-Z/dp/B005BQLCBO

-Your argument is invalid because you used the word "theme". Ever read "Heart of Darkness"? There are so many themes within the book that only takes two sentences to construct, so it would've been more fruitful if you denied the song or, better yet, the album not having a theme at all and that it's all a facade.  Yet, you describe the song has having a theme, lyrics exist that do support it, and thus, immediately contradicted yourself; while following up with a statement that only confirms you dont quite understand what's going on.

Definition of THEME per Merriam-Webster's Dictionary:

1
a : a subject or topic of discourse or of artistic representation <guilt and punishment is the theme of the story>
b : a specific and distinctive quality, characteristic, or concern <the campaign has lacked a theme>

-I know why "Lift Off" and "Who Gon Stop Me" are on the album. Do you? I'll keep it as simple as I can.
"Lift Off" is the crescendo of the narrative before the climax that is "Niggas in Paris"
"Who Gon Stop Me" is the definition of victory against the insurmountable odds of race, status, and culture. Then comes in "Murder to Excellence" (the first epilogue), which shows the fight was never really won. These are two tracks which support the overall story that is "Watch the Throne".

There's a reason why you and OP are in the minority. It's not because of blind ignorance nor "stans" hating on you. It's because there is substance to this music. It's not a fluke.

Niggas in Paris is just a cover for the "WE KILLED TUPAC" sample tbh

Lol he has a few good points

So put us on to some songs that are "helping" hip hop. If you're going to present a problem, you should have a solution.
And to everyone who is saying what if Wayne made NIP, what if Jay made " How to Love"? Would people enjoy that so much?

it gets the white people going

Care to deconstruct why my actual argument is invalid?

Also:
-Understanding things like slavery is not me being on a high horse. It's humbling knowledge that progresses our culture and moral reasoning.

-Check out the tracklist. There is no song called "I Can't Stop": http://www.amazon.com/Watch-Throne-Jay-Z/dp/B005BQLCBO

-Your argument is invalid because you used the word "theme". Ever read "Heart of Darkness"? There are so many themes within the book that only takes two sentences to construct, so it would've been more fruitful if you denied the song or, better yet, the album not having a theme at all and that it's all a facade.  Yet, you describe the song has having a theme, lyrics exist that do support it, and thus, immediately contradicted yourself; while following up with a statement that only confirms you dont quite understand what's going on.

Definition of THEME per Merriam-Webster's Dictionary:

1
a : a subject or topic of discourse or of artistic representation <guilt and punishment is the theme of the story>
b : a specific and distinctive quality, characteristic, or concern <the campaign has lacked a theme>

-I know why "Lift Off" and "Who Gon Stop Me" are on the album. Do you? I'll keep it as simple as I can.
"Lift Off" is the crescendo of the narrative before the climax that is "Niggas in Paris"
"Who Gon Stop Me" is the definition of victory against the insurmountable odds of race, status, and culture. Then comes in "Murder to Excellence" (the first epilogue), which shows the fight was never really won. These are two tracks which support the overall story that is "Watch the Throne".

There's a reason why you and OP are in the minority. It's not because of blind ignorance nor "stans" hating on you. It's because there is substance to this music. It's not a fluke.

Lulz@implying the high horse comment was directed at your infinite knowledge on the subject. I have no desire to argue the semantics of "concept" & "theme" with you, sorry. Taking shots at me for confusing the song title with the sample (when you know exactly which I meant) is just pathetic. Not once did I claim any stans are hating on me...what exactly are you talking about? The poster that I quoted made a good point which I just did not agree with. You, on the other hand just come off as condescending and obsessed with proving your intelligence. Notice I never said anything in agreement with OP about NIP being a bad thing for hip-hop.

Lift Off was such a well placed "crescendo before the climax that is Niggas in Paris" that the OG tracklist didn't even have them together.


Is it too hard to believe that NIP was just a banger that brags about ballin out overseas with bad ****es and gold bottles? You think Ye and Jay were in the studio talkin about "man we need to change the title from That **** Crazy to Niggas in Paris cuz this track really presents the narrative of 18th century french slavery in comparison with the U.S."?
BTW you suggesting that the OP should take a women's studies course before listening to WTT was hilarious....classic

That is all

Care to deconstruct why my actual argument is invalid?

Also:
-Understanding things like slavery is not me being on a high horse. It's humbling knowledge that progresses our culture and moral reasoning.

-Check out the tracklist. There is no song called "I Can't Stop": http://www.amazon.com/Watch-Throne-Jay-Z/dp/B005BQLCBO

-Your argument is invalid because you used the word "theme". Ever read "Heart of Darkness"? There are so many themes within the book that only takes two sentences to construct, so it would've been more fruitful if you denied the song or, better yet, the album not having a theme at all and that it's all a facade.  Yet, you describe the song has having a theme, lyrics exist that do support it, and thus, immediately contradicted yourself; while following up with a statement that only confirms you dont quite understand what's going on.

Definition of THEME per Merriam-Webster's Dictionary:

1
a : a subject or topic of discourse or of artistic representation <guilt and punishment is the theme of the story>
b : a specific and distinctive quality, characteristic, or concern <the campaign has lacked a theme>

-I know why "Lift Off" and "Who Gon Stop Me" are on the album. Do you? I'll keep it as simple as I can.
"Lift Off" is the crescendo of the narrative before the climax that is "Niggas in Paris"
"Who Gon Stop Me" is the definition of victory against the insurmountable odds of race, status, and culture. Then comes in "Murder to Excellence" (the first epilogue), which shows the fight was never really won. These are two tracks which support the overall story that is "Watch the Throne".

There's a reason why you and OP are in the minority. It's not because of blind ignorance nor "stans" hating on you. It's because there is substance to this music. It's not a fluke.

I understand that you feel these songs have a lot more weight and talk about much more than what the OP is suggesting, but I think your argument is a bit much. People who like the song like it because its over the top, fun, and  celebratory, but I don't think it was written with the intent to be analyzed to the extent of what your doing.

OP is right in thinking its just a bigger Solja Boy beat, and the lyrics don't have as much depth as people here claim it does. I agree its probably not completely void of meaning, but your really reaching if you think its as deep as your describing.

niggas in paris is the single most greatest thing to happen to hip hop. In fact, it has changed the dynamics of music forever. It's one of the greatest songs of all time across all genres

Wonder where you got that one from

beat gets me seriously hyped. second part of the beat is purely epic.

lyrics have no depth, well that's debatable, but jay's bragging on the beat is awesome.

song title... i dno.

Acting like you don't like bangers

Everyone likes bangers, a lot of the time it depends on the artist, and when you're favorite artist makes a banger you go with that ****

If you don't like it then it's safe to say you're growing out of what hip hop has relatively become.

It has a reasonably deep social context tbh

If you wanna listen to "real" music with "meaning", then it is probably the worst.

If you just accept the song for what it is-- a banger-- then no.. it's not.

as much as i love ye it was a bull**** song. Catchy and all, but just radio ****.

 All the reasoning behind why this song was good/bad is all subjective. No one’s ****ing right...
Stop losing essential time out of your life attempting to prove op's opinion is wrong or right cause no one's right and no one's wrong here.
 that being said

Prince William's ain't do it right if you ask me, I was him I would have married Kate & Ashley

Imagine if Wayne made the song. Would everyone here still love it?

Ball so hard

That **** cake, ain't it Drake?

What she order? Angus Steak.

IMO, they're the prime example on how that style should be done.